I've made an HP washing chart to calculate how much HP / MP / LUK I will have on a specific level. I'd say these calculations are going fine, but: 1.) Thief gains 14~16 MP per level 2.) I'm using AP resets on MP to convert to LUK 3.) AP resets reduces -12 MP 4.) So, does that mean I can only gain +1 LUK per level instead of +5 LUK? I see people wear +180 INT equips and all, but that's only an +18 MP increase (32 MP - 12 = 20 MP per level) Therefore, you can gain +1 LUK or +2 LUK on each level? (e.g. 25 DEX and 38 LUK by Level 40) Anyway, here's the chart that I've made and tell me whether it's accurate or not. Spoiler: HP Washing Chart Level | STR DEX INT LUK HP | Stat Input | Avg Total HP | Avg Total MP | Min MP Calc | AP Resets 001 | 004 004 004 004 000 | ------ | 50 | 5 | 002 | 004 004 009 004 000 | +5 INT | 64 | 15 | 003 | 004 004 014 004 000 | +5 INT | 78 | 25 | 004 | 004 004 019 004 000 | +5 INT | 92 | 35 | 005 | 004 004 024 004 000 | +5 INT | 106 | 45 | 006 | 004 005 028 004 000 | +4 INT +1 DEX | 120 | 55 | 007 | 004 010 028 004 000 | +5 DEX | 134 | 65 | 008 | 004 015 028 004 000 | +5 DEX | 148 | 75 | 009 | 004 020 028 004 000 | +5 DEX | 162 | 85 | 010 | 004 025 028 004 000 | +5 DEX | 176 (1st: +152 = 328) | 95 | 011 | 004 025 004(+19) 028 005 | +5 HP | 350 (460 [+110]) | 109 (111 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 150 | 012 | 004 025 004(+19) 028 010 | +5 HP | 372 (592 [+220]) | 123 (127 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 164 | 013 | 004 025 004(+19) 028 015 | +5 HP | 394 (724 [+330]) | 137 (143 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 178 | 014 | 004 025 004(+19) 028 020 | +5 HP | 416 (856 [+440]) | 151 (159 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 192 | 015 | 004 025 004(+19) 028 025 | +5 HP | 438 (988 [+550]) | 165 (175 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 206 | 016 | 004 025 004(+22) 028 030 | +5 HP | 460 (1120 [+660]) | 179 (191 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 220 | 017 | 004 025 004(+22) 028 035 | +5 HP | 482 (1252 [+770]) | 193 (207 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 234 | 018 | 004 025 004(+22) 028 040 | +5 HP | 504 (1384 [+880]) | 207 (223 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 248 | 019 | 004 025 004(+22) 028 045 | +5 HP | 526 (1516 [+990]) | 221 (239 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 262 | 020 | 004 025 004(+22) 028 050 | +5 HP | 548 (1648 [+1100]) | 235 (255 [+2] 2 -> 16) | 276 | 021 | 004 025 004(+43) 028 055 | +5 HP | 570 (1780 [+1210]) | 249 (273 [+4] 4 -> 18) | 290 | 022 | 004 025 004(+43) 028 060 | +5 HP | 592 (1912 [+1320]) | 263 (291 [+4] 4 -> 18) | 304 | 023 | 004 025 004(+43) 028 065 | +5 HP | 614 (2044 [+1430]) | 277 (309 [+4] 4 -> 18) | 318 | 024 | 004 025 004(+43) 028 070 | +5 HP | 636 (2176 [+1540]) | 291 (327 [+4] 4 -> 18) | 332 | 025 | 004 025 004(+43) 028 075 | +5 HP | 658 (2308 [+1650]) | 305 (345 [+4] 4 -> 18) | 346 | 026 | 004 025 004(+51) 028 080 | +5 HP | 680 (2440 [+1760]) | 319 (364 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 360 | 027 | 004 025 004(+51) 028 085 | +5 HP | 702 (2572 [+1870]) | 333 (383 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 374 | 028 | 004 025 004(+51) 028 090 | +5 HP | 724 (2704 [+1980]) | 347 (402 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 388 | 029 | 004 025 004(+51) 028 095 | +5 HP | 746 (2836 [+2090]) | 361 (421 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 402 | 030 | 004 025 004(+51) 028 100 | +5 HP | 768 (2968 [+2200]) | 375 (440) (638 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 416 (568) | 031 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 105 | +5 HP | 790 (3100 [+2310]) | 587 (657 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 582 | 032 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 110 | +5 HP | 812 (3232 [+2420]) | 601 (676 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 596 | 6 | +6 033 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 115 | +5 HP | 834 (3364 [+2530]) | 615 (695 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 610 | 7 | +7 034 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 120 | +5 HP | 856 (3496 [+2640]) | 629 (714 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 624 | 7 | +7 035 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 125 | +5 HP | 878 (3628 [+2750]) | 643 (733 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 638 | 7 | +7 036 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 130 | +5 HP | 900 (3760 [+2860]) | 657 (752 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 652 | 8 | +8 037 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 135 | +5 HP | 922 (3892 [+2970]) | 671 (771 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 666 | 8 | +8 038 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 140 | +5 HP | 944 (4024 [+3080]) | 685 (790 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 680 | 9 | +8 039 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 145 | +5 HP | 966 (4156 [+3190]) | 699 (809 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 694 | 9 | +9 040 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 150 | +5 HP | 988 (4288 [+3300]) | 713 (828 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 708 | 10 | +10 041 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 155 | +5 HP | 1010 (4420 [+3410]) | 727 (847 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 722 | 042 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 160 | +5 HP | 1032 (4552 [+3520]) | 741 (866 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 736 | 043 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 165 | +5 HP | 1054 (4684 [+3630]) | 755 (885 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 750 | 044 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 170 | +5 HP | 1076 (4816 [+3740]) | 769 (904 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 764 | 045 | 004 025 004(+54) 028 175 | +5 HP | 1098 (4948 [+3850]) | 783 (923 [+5] 5 -> 19) | 778 | 046 | 004 025 004(+60) 028 180 | +5 HP | 1120 (5080 [+3960]) | 797 (943 [+6] 6 -> 20) | 792 | 047 | 004 025 004(+60) 028 185 | +5 HP | 1142 (5212 [+4070]) | 811 (963 [+6] 6 -> 20) | 806 | 048 | 004 025 004(+60) 028 190 | +5 HP | 1164 (5344 [+4180]) | 825 (983 [+6] 6 -> 20) | 820 | 049 | 004 025 004(+60) 028 195 | +5 HP | 1186 (5476 [+4290]) | 839 (1003 [+6] 6 -> 20) | 834 | 050 | 004 025 004(+60) 028 200 | +5 HP | 1208 (5608 [+4400]) | 853 (1023 [+6] 6 -> 20) | 848 | 051 | 004 025 004(+66) 028 205 | +5 HP | 1230 (5740 [+4510]) | 867 (1044 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 862 | 052 | 004 025 004(+66) 028 210 | +5 HP | 1252 (5872 [+4620]) | 881 (1065 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 876 | 053 | 004 025 004(+66) 028 215 | +5 HP | 1274 (6004 [+4730]) | 895 (1086 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 890 | 054 | 004 025 004(+66) 028 220 | +5 HP | 1296 (6136 [+4840]) | 909 (1107 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 904 | 055 | 004 025 004(+73) 028 225 | +5 HP | 1318 (6268 [+4950]) | 923 (1128 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 918 | 056 | 004 025 004(+73) 028 230 | +5 HP | 1340 (6400 [+5060]) | 937 (1139 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 932 | 057 | 004 025 004(+73) 028 235 | +5 HP | 1362 (6532 [+5170]) | 951 (1160 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 946 | 058 | 004 025 004(+73) 028 240 | +5 HP | 1384 (6664 [+5280]) | 965 (1181 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 960 | 059 | 004 025 004(+73) 028 245 | +5 HP | 1406 (6796 [+5390]) | 979 (1202 [+7] 7 -> 21) | 974 |
ur table is hard to read and i didnt even get what your questions.. if you try to double wash, by adding some ap to mp and take it off, i recommend to make high int base and when u have total of 200+ start to mp wash.. before that u should do the regular way - wait until u have enough mp to take off [minimum+12] > use fresh ap to +hp > use ap reset and convert from mp to int [or luk if u dont want high int base] *never put +5 fresh ap to hp when u dont have enough mp to take the points back, ull miss alot of dmg
I typed the table in a notepad file, so it didn't align correctly on the forums. So, here's the table in pastebin. And my question is, how would I HP wash without losing damage? Yes, this is the part that I'm trying to understand. So, where would I place my fresh AP if I don't have enough MP to convert to LUK? Would I place fresh AP into MP? (+14 MP per AP = 70 MP) And then I would use an AP reset to convert that MP into LUK? (-12 x 5 = -60 MP to 5 LUK?) I'm not sure, it's quite confusing. And I'm trying to HP wash for now, until I become more advanced to MP wash on my alternate characters. What I understand is that when a person (thief) levels up, they: 1.) Place 1 fresh AP into their HP (+22 HP) 2.) Use an AP reset on their MP (-12 MP) 3.) Convert to MP into their main stat (LUK) (-12 MP -> +1 LUK) 4.) Rinse and repeat Now if you want me to go more in depth of what I don't understand: Let's say you do reach your minimum MP, do you leave your fresh AP untouched until you get more MP? Also, you get 5 fresh AP every time you level up, but you only gain +14-16 MP every time you level up as well. So would you only be able to use 1 out of the 5 fresh AP every time you level up? (Because AP reset uses -12 MP) How about if you wear INT equips worth 140 INT (4+140) and you get a boost of +14 MP (meaning +28-30 MP every time you level up). You would only use 2 out of the 5 fresh AP, right? ____________________________________________________________________ EDIT: Okay, here a more valid question: When I become Level 150, will I ONLY have 154 LUK total from HP washing as opposed to +700 LUK? You place AP into HP and -1 MP to +1 LUK... You gain +14 MP per level, but you also remove -12 MP per wash... wouldn't that you would ONLY gain +1 LUK per level? Making you miss out on a LOT of damage and you would become weak?
its all depend on 2 things - what is ur hp goal, and how much u want to invest on it [more hp = more ap resets] "you only gain +14-16 MP every time you level up" - not so true, u get +1 mp for every 10 int u have, for example if u have 140 int u'll again +14 extra mp by lvl up In addition to the 14-16 when u lvl up: >put fresh ap into hp >convert extra mp to: [it's up to ur goals] -luk for dmg, u wont be able to wash alot and its cheap - int if u want more mp later [which also will cost u more resets later to convert again to main stat] put ap into mp [ called double wash] is recommended when u have: -alot of money to spend on resets -u have at least 200+ total int so u'll at least get +20 mp when u spend fresh ap to mp.. +14 just doesn't worth it u can't get 200+ by items, u'll have to add some ap to int. and again.. u NEVER put ap into hp if you dont have the extra mp.. if u have low int so yea u wont be able to wash alot but if you make high int base and double wash later u'll be able to wash much easier keep this rule and ur dmg wont be effected at the end, when u'll convert all to main stat
Ahhhh. Now I'm starting to understand how it works. I hear people say "use all 5 AP into HP, then convert the MP into LUK", but that didn't make any sense to me because it seems like you would lose out on damage in general. So, what you're basically saying is when you level up (gain +5 AP), add AP into HP IF you have extra MP. Otherwise, if you don't have extra MP, then add the rest of the +4 AP into your main stat, LUK. For example: Lv 30 -> 31 HP: 878 MP: 601 Minimum MP (Lv 31): 582 [(14 x 31) + 148 = 582] 1.) +5 AP You will gain +5 AP every time you level up 2.) -1 AP -> +1 HP Add 1 AP into your HP once you've checked your minimum MP; 878 + 22 = 900 HP 3.) -1 MP -> +1 LUK Use an AP reset, remove -1 MP and add it into your main stat, +1 LUK; 601 - 12 = 589 ; 589 is 7 away from the minimum MP, so no more washing 4.) -4 AP -> +4 LUK Since you've reached the minimum MP, you use the REMAINING AP onto your main stat, which is LUK. Outcome: +5 LUK and +22 HP per level (if you wear 120 INT) Basically, what I'm trying to say is that when you HP wash, you're not losing out on anything, right? The extra MP that you gain from your INT is going to be the extra HP that you input from HP washing?
