[Suggestion] Economy Balancing via Gachapon

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  1. Sila
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    Fwiw^ Meso drop rate isn't where people get the majority of their money from. It's the equips drop rate itself as well as scrolls and such. Pure mesos from looting is just a very small drop in the ocean compared to everything else.
     
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    I understand that more messoes get generated from equip drops, but I dont think thats something that should be lowered, because i hated spending days at 1 spot looking for a specific item, that would also effect the godly item system in a bad way.

    maybe reducing the sale ammounts of equips drops would be a bigger change then a drop in the bucket. ontop of droping messo rates. and increasing taxes. I know that changin sale rates is a time consuming task though.
     
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    That's what Nexon did - added their own version of the 'godly' system (via potentials), raised the drop rate of equips, and then dropped all equip selling prices by 80-90% to make up for it.
     
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    While it's true that mesos will be taken out of the economy with this, it also means that just as much in value in terms on NX will then remain in the economy. This basically cancels it out and doesn't contribute to taking currency from the economy. Not only that but now since more people are using mesos instead of nx to buy ap resets, they will then use that NX towards gachapon instead. This means more gachapon tickets being used and more gachapon items coming into the economy which then proceeds to lower the value of all gachapon items. At the end of the day the only thing that will have happened is that the amount of currency (Mesos + Nx) will still be the same or similiar while the drop in gachapon value will make the power of the currency stronger ( less Mesos will buy more gachapon items) which effectively means we would have achieved the exact opposite of what we were trying to do.
     
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    ^ That's only if you don't do anything else though. He was (I assume) replying to my comment before about adding various sinks and/or reducing the distribution of gachapon tickets. So if you combine it with other measures it could be better for the economy.
     
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    Well if we take your suggestion and make gachapon tickets unavailable for purchase with nx and then we take HoboMS' suggestion of making Ap resets only purchasable by mesos, then what NX item is left that will convert NX into mesos ? All we will see at that point will be people selling TP rocks for 300k each since now everyone will be buying hundreds of them to sell because they can't spend nx on anything else that people will buy. This would effectively decimate the value of NX which is most definitely not a good a thing. Also if gachapon tickets became drops instead then we would see mages becoming far more profitable then they already are which will pretty much enforce people to have a 4th job mage or be abysmally poorer than everyone else
     
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    It's not just those 2 suggestions, I said there should be more NX and meso sinks added. What those additions/changes could be that would work well together--well that's what threads like this are for, we're just putting out ideas trying to improve the server. It's a tough balance and it probably won't be solved with just a few simple suggestions. Since you keep commenting here, you might try contributing some as well, instead of just picking at everyone else's comments.

    I think you misunderstood what I was refering to, but that was more an observation about other servers than a suggestion for this one anyway. The portals are timed and only accessible once a day, and the mobs drop items (rarely!), not tickets. Each portal has different mobs at different levels with different drops and they're all low spawn so AoE doesn't make a big difference. Anyway, it's not really relevant like I said, since this server is going for authentic Maple nostalgia.
     
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    In my opinion, I'm not sure why we need to discuss any further sinks right now as we haven't yet had a chance to see the effects of the current/new meso/nx sinks in the new source.
     
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    Im not "just picking at everyone else's comments," Im analyzing the effects of such suggestions on a deeper level which you guys have not considered and telling you why your ideas would not result in what you are expecting. You guys are suggesting things that will make a huge impact on the current market we have going and the delicate balance of Mesos, NX, and the power of these currencies. Of course these suggestions need to be discussed and looked at closely. In that sense I am contributing alot since I am considering flaws and possibilities to your suggestions which you yourselves should have thought about before posting them.

    Now you said "It's not just those 2 suggestions, I said there should be more NX and meso sinks added." But in the beginning of that post you wrote "I think the only way to start fixing the economy would be to remove the option to buy tickets with NX or mesos..." So I don't understand why I am wrong for considering your Main and Clearly confident point from your post instead of something as vague as "should be more NX and meso sinks added" which is at the end of your post.

    Lastly I want to mention that I do as a matter of fact have some very good ideas on Meso/NX sinks that wouldn't alter the entire market, however it's obviously not the right time for that as there are tons of things on the new source that currently need to be fixed and the new sinks that are introduced have not even been tested out by the players yet.

    If you want to suggest things that will improve the server then learn to consider constructive criticism without taking them personally as I have not posted anything here that was rude or personal
     
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    @hatch having someone shoot down all your idea's is a good thing, when people come up with idea's they don't see the flaws. Having someone be critical of your idea's and look at it from a different angle is a good thing, you should be having a intelligent conversation with Nineskies not telling him to stop pointing out the flaws in your idea's...

    That aside... @Matt I think its good to be having conversations like this. I did not and do not expect you to do anything with what we are discussing here.
     
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    Hey um, will there be any possibility of obtaining donation medals with chaos/white scrolls also? like Meso + Chaos/White scroll, because max donation is only 2.147billion i think.
     
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    That's a good question and one I'm not sure how to answer so I'll ask Matt and Kevin about it.
     
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    If I recall correctly the players' total donation increments each time they donate. So you could donate 2b then 2b again to make a total of 4b.
     
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