Hello this is a thread for anyone who is either a new player or just want to start fresh. Basically me and a bunch of people have been waiting for a long time to create new characters. When character creation is fixed we intend on trying to recreate the social experience of old maplestory by closely training together in parties, all the way from maple island to horntail. Together we will make an extremely friendly guild, everyone is welcome as long as you share our discontent with leeching as it will be prohibited. We will try and help new players as much as possible in terms of getting gear, we love to help others. If you are interested in joining us leave a message and I will link you the discord group credit: @knetterzak
if you are really against leeching, play ironman. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/game-challenge-ironman-mode-solo-diy-no-trading.42779/ I have 2 ironman characters over 110. I think "prohibiting" leaching is a little ridiculous considering you will all be partying anyways. helping new characters in a party is practically the same thing, just with friends and also for free. if the concept is to make a bunch of new friends, what would you do if your friend leeched 4 or 5 levels way down the road in the 100+ level range? kick them from the guild? sounds pretty unfriendly to me.
We want to create a friendly social environment with people who actually enjoy playing/partying together and not paying someone to sit on a rope all day. I dont understand how you make the connection between grinding in a party and paying someone to leech you. One is actually playing the game and the other is not, we want to attract people who dislike leeching, prohibit might have been the wrong word, but the goal is for it to not be necessary as we will actually be grinding. Ironman is something entirely different.
I totally understand that. I really appreciate someone reaching out for the sake of creating a better community. I think leeching isn't a terrible thing though. For example: when I started playing last year, I join a guild called QuackersMoo just for the sake of making new friends. I was actually doing a stream a the time and like 8 or so of them raided the map me and my buddy were grinding on. So we all became friends Since a majority of the guild was high level, a couple of the top mages on our guild would regularly help the lower level players by leeching them so they could participate in boss runs. I think leeching made the guild a lot closer and help newer players such as myself engage in end game content. If newer players end up joining your guild later on and there are very few low level players at that point would you leech them with your mage? I would. I actually leeched people myself with the bishop QuackersMoo was able to make happen. Leeching has also allowed players to make the best of the best characters through hp washing. Maybe paying other randoms to do it for you might not be engaging for you and i know other people dont like it (extreme example: ironman guild), but it is something nice to do for a friend or maybe help your buddy make some money and you get some exp out of it.
Leeching has its uses and its positives as you'd mentioned above, but it doesn't really fit into what we are trying to do here. Sure it can be used to find new friends or perhaps used to grow closer to older ones, but that's not exactly the case here with us. Other than a small percentage of us who keep the discussion going in our chat room (most people having chosen to leave the discord chat alone due to New Source taking so long to get fixed-- not that I blame them), most of us don't really know each other and would like the opportunity to do so in-game as we all grind through the game together. Maplestory as a game, as I'm sure we all know, is an incredibly socially-orientated one, and the game itself can be fully experienced when we know groups of people who are at the same level as each other and progress forward together as per the usual grind. There's quite the difference between grinding alone and grinding with a group of people you are familiar and can have fun with. Of course, others might disagree with what I'm saying and that's completely fine, as there are plenty of ways to play Maple and that this is mainly just my opinion. But once again, solo mentality isn't something that we are trying to go for here. If you want that then you can obviously just do your own thing as you please. Now, you might ask, where does leeching fall into all this? Leeching is generally is used so you can level faster than usual, and can be incredibly helpful when you're having troubles leveling due to various reasons. Or you're rich and don't want to have to go through the trouble of grinding. If you take what I said into consideration, leeching doesn't really benefit all that much into the vision that @knetterzak had in mind when she first created the "Let's start fresh with new source" thread and was therefore listed as a "no-go" for those of us who wanted in the guild. "What's the harm?" you may ask? It's quite simple. Leeching creates a gap. What kind of gap? The kind that can separate a group in two and cause negative emotions to fly secretly in between. This is something we want to avoid at all costs. People who progress together as both a group and as a guild from the beginning tend to be around the same level range or so, with some people leveling faster or slower due to their schedule, training regime, or for some other reasons. But that can't be helped, as not everyone can be forced to progress at the same rate, that'd just be unfair to the people who just want to play. It also helps that these people would've gotten to their levels through their own sweat and blood-- their own effort. No one's seriously going to complain about that. But leeching is completely different. The fact that someone "cheated" (as some people might describe it as) their way up or took the "easy way" may cause discomforts throughout a group that mostly consists of those who dislike having to leech. (And I'll say this now, but most of the people, when they first joined in the discord chat, honestly seemed to have no problems about the "no-leeching" rule-- so you don't have to worry about the "small percentage" speaking for the larger one. Unless, of course, I somehow misunderstood everyone and am speaking out turn. In which case, I do sincerely apologize for doing so) Of course, this situation I speak of is really only the worst case scenario that could happen, but honestly, why take the risk for something that isn't all that beneficial for the vision of how we want to play the game anyway? As for prohibiting leech being ridiculous? I personally don't think so. Besides, the fact is, the person would've joined the guild knowing these conditions and if he leeches knowing full well it could ban him, then that's his prerogative. We're not going to favor one person and honestly, if everyone else in the guild is playing the game with no leech then there's no reason he can't either. If he want's to leech then he really shouldn't have joined in the first place. This may sound harsh, but this is just how it is. Besides, leveling 100+ may be tedious, but if you have a number of friends you can constantly grind with then it's honestly not that bad at all. Also, this is just the restriction regarding our guild only, those of you who are playing with us can, of course, do as they wish regarding whether they want to leech or not-- no need to feel restricted because of us. .-. So, to recap. Leeching: - Doesn't fit into how we want to play the game. (Starting over, feeling like a noob all over again, experiencing the game in full that leeching can't provide, and playing together with a group of like-minded individuals to avoid walking the lonely path in Maplestory) - May cause problems within the group/pose possible unnecessary risk to group unity/amicability (those who didn't leech resenting those who leeched, level/mindset gaps, may cause eventual split up of guild, worst case scenario happens, possible friendships being strained, other people start following suit and the meaning of "starting fresh"/"experiencing the world of Maplestory" eventually gets lost). Now, before I close off, I'd like those of you read this post to know that I'm going out on a limb here saying these things. I am trying not speak on knetterzak's behalf nor anyone else in the discord chat, as I don't know how they truly feel about this, but what I'm saying are based on the assumptions that I had gathered based on the numerous discussions we've had on this subject matter. If I have portrayed/misinterpreted the thoughts of any of those of you who are currently in the discord chat wrongly, then I sincerely apologize for doing so and I hope you would forgive me. Other than that, this concludes my long ass post of my feelings on the matter. (PS: wrote this when I was tired, so grammar isn't so great, sorry)
@yaqzan yaQz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was typing this out and accidentally deleted it so im just gonna distill this down to my main points. This game mode doesn't appear different enough. Maybe try adding some slightly different things to it. I was thinking that you all could share every loot item with each other and never interact with the normal market. That is nostalgic for me. Only working with what me and my friends had. I don't think the problem is with leeching, it's with the mage ultimate. @MangoKiwii brought that up in our private conversation about all this. Once you get to a point where a person in your guild can start 1 shotting mobs, you might as well not even kill anything on the map. which leads me to my third point. Leeching each other in the higher levels should be fine since it does not compromise your logic against leeching. It wont create gaps. And it's good for a mage to have a second in the party to maximize HS. I could totally see 3 people chilling on a map: 1 I/L or F/P mage 1 shotting, 1 priest/bishop for HS, and a 3rd member who is dps/inefficient grinder. I know 3 isnt optimal for HS, but it still makes sense. It could be a lot of fun since it not paid per hour or anything and you could just chat and have a good time. Level gaps will be created and people will be left behind. It's unpreventable. Level gaps will not harm the social aspect of your group, especially if it's large enough. I know this from experience (Quackers). It should motivate the lower level people instead of causing "risk to unity/amicability". MapleStory sometimes honestly feels closer to a chat room than a game. It is just something we can all commonly experienceand talk about. Having people to talk to while grinding and having people give you morale support is totally cool, and a lot of fun. Having the top level guys tell me "gz!" when I got my Brawler from 29-30 felt great. Although ironman is a "solo" challenge not ONCE have I felt alone. It almost offends me that you would suggest that, but I do understand. Overall, I think this seems like a pedantic rule rather than a totally different way to experience the game. Being in a guild with people who leech and interacting with people who leech is just part of the game and that doesn't stop it from being fun! I have done the leveling experience 3 times over and only had leeched 1 character of 4 from 10-120 and i did it myself with my own mage. No need to make a cult against it! Just let the bitter vibes flow out of you and have fun! That's what the real point to all this is.
So, back on topic. I have a couple brand new characters stashed away. When this gets going, let me know and I'll start a nib to join up with! I miss the socializing in this game more than ever now with the low population.
I think you rather missed out on my main point, which I apologize for not making clear enough, and you raise some valid points concerning level gaps and such. What we want to do is to play out the beginning to midgame part of Maple together as a whole group (or at least as whole as possible), which is a completely different experience from when having a high level-low level interaction compared to a equal level interaction. We want a different experience as we start over fresh. That's practically the whole point of why this thread was made in the first place. This isn't about making a whole new game mode either. It's about just experiencing maple in a simple way, with a large group of individuals, which we think is more "vanilla." Ironman isn't vanilla and is simply a more challenging way of playing maple. Just because we're removing leeching from the equation doesn't mean that it constitutes as a new game mode. What we're talking about is mainly early-mid game here, we don't get ultimates until much later and the fact is, we're talking about the type of leeching that involves one of our guild members being boosted by another member of the guild (through his higher leveled character) or by someone not involved with the guild. I see your point, but the thing is, when people hang around on the ropes for long periods of time, sooner or later, they just afk and do something else to pass the time. Putting in effort for the level/4th job reward is a form of fun too, no? We just want to avoid playing the game like that. There's nothing fun about hanging on ropes, chatting for a bit, before afking to do something else with Maplestory tabbed out or something. You might disagree with me about this, but with my experience, even with incredibly close friends, we always end up afking/tabbed out doing something else, not even saying a single word. You might say its different for everyone and their friend groups, which I agree with, but i find that more often than not, even with other friend groups, you will see something similar to the situation that I've mentioned above. Sure, free leech is great, awesome even, but I prefer to just be active in-game and work for my levels. As for the reason: It won't create gaps. I'm afraid it will because some of us just won't be willing to leech, and those of us who don't will only fall behind those that do. This sort of disparity will only increase later on in the higher levels when the grinding process becomes longer. Of course, as you mentioned, this sort of thing gets tricky to handle once a group gets to a higher level and starts partying with mages who have ultimates. Something like that just can't be helped, and I personally realize that. I'm not just going to refuse grinding with my mage friends just because they do across-the-map damage skills. But there's also the fact that without sufficient funding, a mage won't 1 hit-ko against the higher level mobs, so that leaves me with some breathing room. But again, most of my arguments are geared towards low-mid game leeching, rather than end game. (The low-mid game I know that most of us in the discord chat agree with, but I'm not sure about end game itself. So, my conjectures about endgame are pretty much my 100% opinion.) I disagree with this quite firmly. If this is the sort of experience you want, then you can just join any other friendly guild and you'll do just fine. What we are trying do is to create a environment for people who all start at the same beginning point and work together as a group to get to the higher level aspects of the game/experience the New Source in full. Certainly, level gaps may motivate people, but it can do the opposite too. People may become discouraged when left behind and lose all motivation to play. There's also the fact that these kinds of people might feel alienated (even when others [the ones who left him/her behind in level] don't go through the efforts of doing so) when they feel the level gap and see that his friend group is experiencing something together where as he can not (because he's too low). Although each person may be different, I myself don't really feel "motivated" when someone of a higher level congratulates me on a level. If I'm going to be honest, I could honestly care less and I'm sure there are a number of people who will agree with me on this point. Simple words of gratz/gz just feel superficial. I'd rather just play and grind together with someone who is at a similar level as mine and one that I know won't just leave me in the dust. I never said it wasn't... I didn't mention the ironman challenge once and I wasn't talking about it either when I was talking about "solo play." I was talking about those people who can't make/don't have friends in Maplestory, or rather, the people who have been mostly playing alone due to a lack of companions in the game for various reasons or another. Ironman has a community, and a closely knit one from what I can see, of course it's not going to be lonely when you've got people emotionally supporting you on a challenge that you personally chose to embark on (please tell me if any of these points are wrong). This is very different from what I was trying to say, as I'm talking about a group of people who are playing solo against their wishes, and I apologize for not making this point clear enough. So please, no need to feel offended, I wasn't trying to disrepute the ironman challenge as anything but fun. This is just simply our way of wanting to play the game. If people disagree than, as I said before, there's absolutely no reason for them to join the guild, it's as simple as that. We also have our own view of what's fun or not and I'm pretty sure that you aren't the one to decide that for us either. Some guilds allow certain things while others don't based on their values and beliefs. We just don't like leeching, so we decided to remove it from our play style, what's so wrong about that? Are you going to start calling other guilds "cults" too because of what they want to base their guilds on? Honestly, even if you meant this as a joke, please don't label us as something we're not... There's nothing bitter about me, or us, for that matter, we just want to have fun. To be honest, you're the one who came to this thread and told us how our definition of wanting to have "fun" is wrong/incorrect. I'm just trying to debate against that and show you why we value/want to implement this rule. There's no right or wrong, just simply "how" we want to have fun. There are those who disagree with us and I have no problems with that, everyone's entitled to their own opinion. But when someone comes along and starts pointing at us about how our fun is "restricting" or to play a "challenge mode" of the game all because we removed a certain aspect of the game kind of rustles my jimmies if I say so myself. Again, there's nothing bitter about us not wanting to have leech in a guild, it's just simply how we view a certain mechanic of the game, and we think that leeching just doesn't provide the enjoyment that perhaps you yourself, or many others, would find. I'm sorry if those who are reading this feels uncomfortable, but I couldn't just let this lie. EDIT: I'm honestly very sorry for being more aggressive than necessary with this post.
Its just supposed to be a safehaven for people who dislike leeching, its no cult, you join because you like the concept, you clearly enjoy leeching and you may do so, this is not some campaign to remove it.
Since this whole leeching argument seems out of place at this point, I'm gonna sign off of this thread. I think some good points were made on both sides, and it should just end here. Sorry for bringing negativity into someone else's version of fun. I hope this goes well for this guild, because it's awesome to have friends to play with and everyone should be given that opportunity. I also didn't really understand how far you wanted to go with this, i was assuming all the way to HT, but this low level experience seems pretty chill. As you stated in your posts @Shi I think I just misunderstand what you guys are striving for and I sincerely apologize. I certainly shouldn't be trying to "police" other peoples' fun in a video game, though I do stand by almost all my points. Good luck and happy mapling!
If you don't like how we want to run our guild/group then don't join. It's as simple as that. Seriously. The way we want to play isn't going to interfere with the way you want to play so I don't understand why this whole round about discussion started. It was completely unnecessary and it pulled away from the whole reason for this thread. Anywaaayyy I'm super excited for this group to start our adventures together and I really hope that more people want to join! So far we're very supportive of each other and everyone is pretty cool imo
The concept of starting fresh is that no leeching, funding from main characters. Seeing the fact that you guys gathered a huge community only to slowly die out due to new source is disheartening, but if all of you choose another server, and all agree on that, it will be the same experience as starting fresh. You will never be able to transfer items/meso from royals to that new characters in other servers, isn't this exactly what you guys want, from the starting fresh concept, no funding/gears from other characters.
We've tried several other servers but none of them have really stuck, and while a few people do continue to play on other servers we're still going to be starting fresh on royals once everything is fixed. So, we have considered it but it didn't work out and I think most of us have given up on trying to find a different server to play on permanently.
I agree with that point. the rest servers are total crap. i tried legends bymyself and found them as non-professional little kids who "manage" some fake shit aroumd. The Owner just sitting in the fm all day and doing nothing ,or just trolling like an kid around. which looking realy bad and non-professional ,+turning the whole server to a total joke.(even her's gms spaming with smega some perverse shit all the way)
We actually did try this like @Epicene mentioned and a fair number of us actually did get together and tried to start out on other servers. But the thing is, no one really ever stuck around in the end (myself included) due to just how monotonous everything was (talking about nostalgic servers here). A significant factor to the reason why we're starting over in new source Mapleroyals is because of the anticipation for the new content that's coming in. A lot of us actually wanted to do the old CWPQ, which the other servers don't really provide, and that became part of the reason why we just decided to wait for royals in the end, so we can do it together later when everything gets fixed. And although I can just spew out some other reasons and such, but to completely honest: the fact that royals has the biggest community of "nostalgic" players out of all the servers just gives it a lot more incentive to play here. The other servers, no matter how good they may be, just can't compare to Mapleroyals in terms of the diversity in community groups that you can find here. You could say that Royals is pretty much the closest among its nostalgia peers to being the most "GMS-like" and that kind of appeal just isn't something someone can ignore. (The free market never really goes stale either due to the sheer amount of people playing) We're not just playing to start over and play as a shut-in private group, but rather as a group that has fun by interacting with many others as well. It just seems a lot more interesting to keep on meeting new people as you progress throughout the game. (Also, many people in our discord chat is also fairly attached to royals too, so there wasn't any reason to move to any other servers either. We waited 5 months for fixes, there's no trouble in waiting a little more ) Edit: After trying out multiple servers, I just really like royals a lot better and I'm sure some people will agree with me here. Something about this server just keeps bringing me back and I can't honestly pinpoint the exact reason why.
Even i as new future player which even dont have account, dont mind to wait at all. i playing other games in my meantime with other friends and keep voting royals only cuz i know they are the only and the best nostalgic server out of there. the rest are total trash.
