Should spamming be allowed in the FM Entrance?

Your argument is based on two very arbitrary premises.

1. That there weren't any people in any other FM channels to get to know.
2. New players won't know to check other channels.

Premise 1 is easily rectified by moving. Culture is not geographically exclusive. And unless you can somehow prove to me that you have some sort of spiritual connection to Channel 1, I refuse to accept that being in Channel 1 is a distinct mark of this culture.

Premise 2 assumes that new players don't know how to avoid allchat flooding.

Also, I never said that the convention of flooding allchat in GMS was more important or took precedence over the convention of hanging out in Royals.

 

There needs to be an established place that people KNOW is the socialising area. That is the importance of channel 1 FM entrance.

We all "just know" that because this is a private server, we need to go to FM 1 entrance to socialise. That's where I first went!

The flooding comes and goes. People might not even know that we are socialising in another channel. You are making the assumption that people will be triggered to find the social grounds by going away from where the flooding is. This is a pretty weird assumption really.

You are implying socialising should take place somewhere else, as spammers have a right to spam in FM channel 1. Am I right about that?

Your entire arguement is a strawman. You are misrepresenting peoples arguements.

 

Ok.

 

Let's say the socializers really do go to ch8 and leave ch1 to the spammers, how long do you think those spammers would stay in ch1?

They'd just be spamming for some AFK'ers with little to no hope of actually selling/buying anything.

Where do you think they will go once they figure that out?
Yes that's right, they will follow the socializers to ch8 and that part of the discussion can start all over again.

 

Just because I'm tired of repeating myself over and over.
In response to Winry:

 

Basically what I said. Spamming is so unnecessary- espically when you don't even have to fight to get your message seen! You want us to GTFO out of the FM, when clearly we can co-exist together?
For the last time, we are not opposing buying or selling, but SPAMMING. It just negatively influences everyone- so why the need to allow it?

 

First of half ur statements are just self centered opinions, morally wrong, selfish, childish behavior? What position are u in to say this? just because u are annoyed? Like i said many times, every one has different views of civilized, and how should they sell/buy their items. This does not give any reason to forbidden spamming, just because "u" think its all the above. Being inconsiderate is a person's choice, this should not be a reason to prohibit certain behaviors. Cursing can be inconsiderate, should we ban all swearing? I know that ppl get ban for cursing smegas, but in reg chat i c gms curse, so don't even bring up those. I know that ch 1 is a place to socialize, BUT did we not start off using fm ch 1 map as a means to trade and do business? I pretty sure we have, and further into time people developed a habit to socialize. Since the primarily purpose of fm ch 1 was to do business we should not prohibit spamming. Like i said many times, whether spamming is an efficient way of selling/buying is person's choice. This should not server as a legitimate reason to not allow spamming from ch, just because "u" think is efficient, selfish, childish act. The people that vote for yes did not tell u to gtfo. All we are saying is if it annoys u that much. y not move.

 

The ~maya warp would be good temporary solution, because the same would apply as to fm ch8, spammers would just follow to where the people are.

And I don't have anything against spamming in fm if it were necessary

 

In order words, according to you, inconsiderate behavior should be allowed? So pissing people off is fine? Not allowing people to socialize is fine? By the way, those just aren't MY feelings. Those are the feeligs that majority of us share in light of this matter.
Yes, everyone does have different opinions on what is civilized and all. But please, don't use that to argue your case. And for the matter of telling us to leave, then where do you want us to go? CC2? CC3? This is a culture and you even said it yourself. You can't go around and tell everyone to go away to the point it is drilled in the head.

 

I'm not even saying you guys should remove yourselves from the FM, I was trying to make that point from the start.

I'm just trying to provide a solution just like the chalkboards, blacklisting, etc. I don't see why you're getting so offended when all I'm trying to do is help you guys that find spam annoying. Adding a feature such as ~maya isn't removing players who want to socialize from the FM, it's just another place to go. No where did I say that you guys HAVE to stay out of the FM because of this feature. I don't see how that's offensive or self-centered of me to offer up an idea. If I didn't care about everyone else I wouldn't be posting to try and solve the problem.

 

For one, I am all for blackboards. I even said I supported the idea.
The problem is the people who so insist that spamming should be allowed.

 

In addition to my previous post: This is more or less a matter of those who are spamming specifically in the FM. People are making the point that if everyone were to get up an move that those spammers in the FM would just follow. Make it punishable out side of the FM so that stuff only exists within the FM.
Other people talk about how selfish and self-centered it is to 'kick' people out of the FM. No one said anything about kicking players out. You'd be voluntarily leaving or staying in the FM. Ontop of that, you're calling us self-centered when we're thinking about other players too. Those that use the FM as a trading hub, etc. All I'm suggesting, to make everyone happy, is another place for players to go to, auto-warp (same feature as warping to the FM) to another map where spamming specifically isn't necessarily allowed. New players are bound to catch on if people actually use the map.

But I'm just going to leave my point there because this thread is more or less becoming a broken record.

 

I actually like your idea and agree with it to a certain extent.
However, this is also a hassle to implement and problems will arise from it. For instance, if you go to the FM, you only see 2~3 people selling and buying. Now with this suggestion, there would literally be NO ONE for the sellers/buyers to reach out to. And worst still, they are unable to go to say, ~maya and spam there. This may work when the server is much larger than it is currently. I can see this working next time, but not now.
The suggestion that Kat has brought forth is a win-win. Why don't we just stick with that? Socializing in FM1, can only say sell/buy messages every ~8 seconds, and blackboards so that everyone can easily see it.

 

What diff does ur argument compare to mine. All ur saying is because the majority vote for it dats y this change should occur. First off, people come to fm to buy and sell items, and in the meantime people socialize, but the primarily goal is to do business. All im pointing out why spamming should be allowed in fm because it is a way to sell items, and do ppl not come to fm to do that? Since they do why prohibit this behavior, yet all the time ur just use "majority" to back up ur opinions. You have not convinced me y spamming shouldn't be allowed beside the fact that it is annoying. You even stated urself that chat could be seen clearly in free market, so i don't even get how it affect u. You keep stating that its annoying, hard to see other peoples chat, and now ur saying u can see the chat clearly. Getting killed is annoying, should we not allow to use summoning bags in town, should eliminated damage from all the mobs? You haven't gimmie reasons, but ur own personal opinion. If personal opinion can resolve this issue, the thread wouldn't be 22 pages long.

 

Why, oh why did you have to revive this thread again?
What I said previously wasn't personal opinion, they were real facts- I was merely being factual and objective. But since you insist of the reasons why spamming should not be allowed, let me list you a reason.
1. It annoys people.
Even you said that it is an inefficient way to sell things. It annoys the community, trust me. My feelings? No, they are the majority's feelings! You can't simply ignore how the majority feels and put forth a new notion of allowing the FM to be spammed.
You may say that "oh, since everyone has a different meaning of civilized, then why not allow spamming?" DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW INCONSIDERATE THAT SOUNDS, IGNORING WHAT THE MAJORITY SAYS? You can so insist that "oh, it's just your feelings, idgaf". That is blatantly rude. That right there, is egocentric behavior.
Yes, getting killed is annoying. And you are trying to say that we should stop summoning bags, a part of the actual gameplay, stop damage from mobs, also a part of the actual gameplay? That isn't even relevant to what you are saying. This is a red herring.
IF Royals started out with FM CC1 having spam, then I won't reply in such a manner. HOWEVER, the point is that the FM here is meant for socializing! And you are desperately trying to allow spamming to take place.
By the way, what is your view on what I have put forth? About buyers/sellers only repeating their messages ~8 seconds, socializing in FM, and blackboards.
Why must you over complicate things?

 

Bluemoon I think you're missing the point entirely. It's not just annoying, it's also unnecessary and it even makes it difficult to do what the FM is for- that is, buying and selling. Did you read any of my posts? here, I'll quote them for you.

I even bolded the important parts for emphasis.

 

The majority of people in the FM at any one time are probably there to socialise.

The buyers/ sellers are mostly spamming at the socialisers, as there is no other audience for them. The socialisers might be interested in the buyers/sellers items/ mesos, but they want to be told via chalkboards, NOT spamming, what is on offer.

There is absolutely no reason buying/selling and socialising can't happen in the same place. Infact it SHOULD. But the activities of the buyers/sellers need to not interfere with the activities of the socialisers.

It's that simple really. Can't the chalkboards just be trialed now, and this stupid thread locked? Nobody has offered a better solution that attempts to cater for the needs of everybody. So lets just go with the one suggestion that Kat suggested; the chalkboards.

Arrrrgghhhhhhhhhh

 

I thought the issue was that the chalkboards were bugged (people that enter the map after it's been put up can't see it)? Otherwise it'd be a no brainer.

 

If the majority is going to be ignored might as well lock this thread before I start to rant again. I've been staying away, mostly, from it to keep from ranting and repeating myself; as it seems some people -cough- are content to ignore very basic arguments against spamming. BUT if it's not locked I'll definitely go through the entire thread, write down all the reasons people advocate for spamming, and give my opinion as to why that's not enough for spamming to be allowed unless the player base grows drastically.

I still think it's stupid piss off the most possible people and continue to allow spamming, why even have a feedback section if you're going to ignore that feedback? Especially when the feedback is to enforce a rule already in place. Don't tell me that rule is for smega's either, because it doesn't mention anything about smega's, FM spam, or any other spam. It just says spamming and flooding, which the spam in the FM falls under. Don't make a rule just to clarify it later to suit your opinion.

That was more ranty than I had intended... Oh well, that what happens when a majority opinion is ignored.

 

Yeah. They need to be fixed.

What I propose is that fixing chalkboards becomes a high priority, and all feedback on this issue is ignored until they are fixed, and then we trial chalkboards.

There really isn't anything more to discuss.