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Character Name: HsymboI
Last thing you did: farming at voodoos
Why do you think you got banned?: robotic play. I was farming at voodoos on my bishop while watching a movie meanwhile moving left to right using my wireless keyboard away from my computer screen. I would start by going on the right side of the map counting to 4 while moving left which puts me in the middle stay for 5 - 6 seconds and hold my left key for another 4 - 5 seconds bringing me to the left side and again waiting 5 - 6 seconds and then the same going to the right. I would do this about 4 time to recast buffs. I'm usually paying attention to the game just this time I was just watching a movie.
Ban message when attempting to log in: Permanently banned
What GM banned you (optional): not sure

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You had a couple of minutes to reply to a GM after you had been warped away from your map. Not only did you fail to respond to a GM, but your movements were too calculated for human error. Thus, your ban appeal has been denied because you were undoubtedly botting.

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I understand what it might of looked like but to be frank after hours of repetition farming this way, it becomes muscle memory. Firstly, the map im farming on is a one platform map, this makes it very easy to farm there. Secondly, with no mobs knocking me back its going to look more calculated. I feel it is unfair that the skill I've developed for farming is being held against me. I can understand a 7 day ban for not replying to a gm but the fact that i wasn't using a program or macro and only going by muscle memory in a result of permanent ban is absurd. It is not impossible to develop such a skill. An example of this is like typing without looking, it becomes muscle memory. Eventually you can do it with your eyes closed.

Muscle Memory.

1. the ability to reproduce a particular movement without conscious thought, acquired as a result of frequent repetition of that movement.
   "typing relies heavily on muscle memory"

 

I'm fully aware of what muscle memory is. I touch-type which is a form of muscle memory.
However, you need to be able to respond to a GM if we think you're botting.
If it looks like you're botting, we'll ask if you're there. If you fail to respond, we warp you to another map. If you're still botting, then you get banned under the rules. You had four minutes to reply to Kai after he first got there. Within four minutes, you've recasted bahamut twice, and moved from side to side against the map several times. There is no way that you can do that without seeing the fact that you're not in the same map as you were before, that there aren't any monsters there, that you're being talked to by a GM.

Even if you say you werent botting, there is reasonable suspicion and proof that you were using a program to assist you.

Under the Terms and Conditions, botting is further explained in the Moderate Infractions appendices with this:
5. Robotic Play - This act will be defined as the failure of a player to respond to a member of staff when prompted and visibly at the controls of their character, as evidenced by actions such as movement or use of skills. In the situation where a player is prompting another player, a response is not strictly mandatory, however a player report in which a player is being prompted numerous times without a response over a long period of time may be considered sufficient evidence for consequences under this rule at the discretion of staff. As such, we strongly suggest to all players to respond to any prompts in order to avoid being portrayed in a manner which may not be true. Please be aware that scripted macro programs which control your character may be considered a game hack and subject to punishment under Major Infraction - 2. Game Hacking.

 

May I add on to Sila's point that you were reported for KSing at Voodoo as well, that's when I came. To investigate why you're KSing, ended up to catch you botting instead.

 

A movie is a lot longer than that, I acknowledge the fact that i should have payed a bit more attention to the game.

It seems to me like this is impossible. Suspicion =/= evidence, and if you had all the proof there is no reason to be suspicious about anything. As far as I'm aware there is no part of the server that can detect my processes. Even if i was to use a program there's no way to have proof of that. Which bring be back to my muscle memory.

It seems like you do it quite a bit, why am I not able to do the same.

This sums up exactly what was happening, I was playing the game farming, watching a movie, moving left and right and summoning my dragon. It's 3 button to press in a simple order.

If i was using a marco why would i start to ks a character and continue to stay there. I was there attacking with my dragon, which everyone knows it doesnt take map owner. If anything the person came into my map while i was not paying attention and started to ks me. Under the rules it says "in the situation where a player is prompting another player, a response is not strictly mandatory" even if he was saying anything i didn't have to respond

So now that you have established that I have been banned for botting, that falls under Robotic Play as a Moderate infraction like Sila stated here which is a 7 day ban

Robotic Play - The act of engaging in robotic or automatic play which allows any character you own to function autonomously or affect any portion of the game without your presence. Punishment: First offense - 7 day ban, Second offense - Permanent ban.

 

You were banned for botting. He found you because someone reported you for KSing, and then banned you for botting instead.

 

I'm not a player who is prompting you for a respond. I am a staff who is prompting you for a respond, that's #1.

#2, I warped you out of the map, a person who is infront of his screen and/or has the screen in his view will be able to see that. So why didn't you respond even after being warped to another map?

#3, You were banned for macro-botting, not botting. There's a difference. Read the last line of what Sila quoted which carries a penalty of permanent ban:

Please be aware that scripted macro programs which control your character may be considered a game hack and subject to punishment under Major Infraction - 2. Game Hacking.

#4, read the appendix of the Terms and Conditions

Spoiler

5. Robotic Play - This act will be defined as the failure of a player to respond to a member of staff when prompted and visibly at the controls of their character, as evidenced by actions such as movement or use of skills. In the situation where a player is prompting another player, a response is not strictly mandatory, however a player report in which a player is being prompted numerous times without a response over a long period of time may be considered sufficient evidence for consequences under this rule at the discretion of staff. As such, we strongly suggest to all players to respond to any prompts in order to avoid being portrayed in a manner which may not be true. Please be aware that scripted macro programs which control your character may be considered a game hack and subject to punishment under Major Infraction - 2. Game Hacking.

You had 5-6 minutes to respond to me, and I monitored the behavior of your character (like what you say - muscle memory, so it seems to me that your actions were rather repetitive). As such, under my discretion, you were banned for macro-botting, unless you've any better evidence to prove otherwise that you're just botting.