Self-Leeching

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Should Self-Leeching be bannable?

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  1. Dustin
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    I wanna go ahead and start a discussion about whether or not it should be allowed to leech yourself.
    As stated in the rules of MapleRoyals, leeching isn't bannable, but frowned upon. That's fine by me. I think it's safe to say most of us don't mind a bit of leech every now and then. However I feel like when it turns into self-leeching, we enter a whole new territory.

    Let me back up for second. To gain levels I need to spend tons of money on apples/narcs or wait a decent amount of time for each boss to be dead. Most bosses don't drop anything worthy, except for a toe from BF every now and then. The reality is, I don't make any mesos by grinding. There's just nothing to sell.

    Now on the other side of the story, there's bishops out there that train for a couple hours, get tons of exp, help out a friend or two and NPC their full inventory worth 30-40m each time. That is already a huge advantage over a bossing class.

    I know that's a part of the game, so you won't hear me complain about it. But leeching yourself takes things to a whole new level, imo. The bishop constantly gets the maximum amount of exp possible and all of the profit is split on both your own characters. That's when I think the gap (which is already hugely divided) becomes too great and the situation becomes really unfair.

    So, I'd like to hear your opinion. Self-leeching, should it be bannable Yay/Nay?
     
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    I think it should be fine, especially since 1-70 is hell on most range classes due to the mega spawn.
     
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    I don't think leeching, whether self or otherwise should be banned, ditto buying and selling leech. It's up to each person how they want to play the game, and as long as they're not causing trouble for others, I don't see the problem.

    I also understand how overwhelming the 2x spawn on most maps could be for overwhelming for a bowman (er, I'm sure you mentioned that in your post, but removed it) having played a low-level sin (my shop, I wanted max haste on it). It's probably easier on a sin, I would think, but it's still kind of hard not to end up claw-whacking a bit prior to getting haste and therefore more bounceability.

    Personally, I'd rather spend lvl 10-100 grinding solo at Pig Beach than accept an offer of leech from anyone else, because I prefer getting my levels by putting the work in myself as long as it's possible. But that's just my own preference and choice, and the two job classes I typically play in Maple (warrior and mage) aren't going to have much of a problem with 2x spawn.
     
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    Regarding leeching, I agree with Kat and think that it entirely the players choice how they want to play the game. If they want to leech themselves up to level 200 or whatever... fine. But I don't really see how they can get much enjoyment out of doing that. And I'm sure people will have their own negative opinions on the players that do this. But I do think it would be wrong to ban people for doing it.

    There's 3 types of people that play this game... People that play for fun and enjoyment who don't care about levels and rank very much. Then there are people who play to try and become rank #1 of their class or the server. Then you have the people who want to become the strongest by scrolling their equips to become pretty much as good as they could possibly be. Although the 3rd type of person could also be the 1st or 2nd type.

    Everyone knows that bishops have quite a large advantage currently at both levelling the fastest and earning the most mesos and/or nx from monsters. So it would surprise me if the first person to level 200 is not a bishop (or other 4th job magician).

    The next server check should hopefully help balance the mesos/nx issue a little bit as I will be adding maple leaf's, 100 and 250 nx cards to boss drops and will try to fix the droprate of equips/skillbooks from bosses also.

    I think we will just need to accept the fact that bishops and other 4th job magicians will be the fastest levelling characters in the game, but their disadvantage is they are not great at bossing compared to most if not all other classes.
     
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    The tweaks on bosses already makes me very happy! Even if every boss dropped one NX card each time, it wouldn't outweigh plain mage grinding. I'd love to see some balancing!

    About the self-leeching, well I guess it's not up to me to say it shouldn't be allowed. But indeed, I personally don't see the fun in making a mage to raise and fund my 'main'. Maybe I'm hardcore like that. :')
     
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    I agree, it's up to you how to play the game. Honestly, I think making a Bishop just to leech yourself is a hugely chicken-shit way to go, but if someone wants to do that it's their decision. It's more fun to me to feel the accomplishment of grinding and leveling myself in what I consider to be the way the game was intended to be played, but that's just my opinion.
     
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    Honestly, I don't have a problem with leeching or self leeching. But that's just my two cents.
     
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    Just for the record, grinding on a bowman/crossbowman is incredibly efficient and easy with the 2x spawn. I am thankful for it.
     
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    I'm one of those players who frowns upon leeching all together. You won't ever see me leech or be leeched by others. But it is GMS-like. Might as well take an advantage of using it to create a self-leeched mule which will help me eventually, but which I'll never use as it was meant to.

    And for the record, mages are far from the fastest levelers. But still, due to this servers properties, it is by far the best class for a materialistic person who wants to level quite fast. OP in that sense, due to gacha/nx/high drop rate.
     
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    There is absolutely no way that Bishops aren't the fastest levelers here... x2 spawn at skeles makes them DESTROY any other class.
     
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    I was surprised to find this server has no penalty for it unlike others. A bowman was leeched to level 17x already so playing for ranks here isn't really an option for non-bishops. Just my opinion.
     
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    I'm not really sure if you even deserve to be ranked if you can't beat a leeched player... Or am I being inconsiderate again.
     
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    The leeched char is ranked 10 overall, so you're saying that all but 10 shouldn't be ranked*
     
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    idk who that bowman is who leeched to 17x, but in all seriousness how much of a nolifer do you have to be to LEECH A CHARACTER TO TOP 10?! Honestly lool its just funny.. have any social life? even within the game? i dont see any enjoyment in skele grinding for hours on end with no goal in mind other than "i want to be the most 1337 player in dis game m8"

    lolol but to each his own i guess :)
     
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    The person who leeched that bowman isn't online any longer than the average player here is. He just uses his time wisely and knows how to play the game. Party exp was great in v62 so why not?

    My intention wasn't to complain about the bowman, it was to point out that with leeching this big on a 10x server there's no need for bishops to look for training partners when they can just train 2 chars at once. Personally I'm not too worked up about it, I'm just emphasizing with the initial forum post.
     
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    @ xeorr

    It's actually quite rubbish when the server has not a single other competitive player. Though some servers do have them and it's very enjoyable to push it to the limit. Any competition can be great enjoyment, no matter how pointless it is.

    Too bad that all the easy features in this server alienate the hardcore players. The only reason why I've not been alienated out is because of irritation. And what better reason to play than to prove others wrong dot.. dot.. dot..
     
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    oh so it was you i shouldve guessed lol

    anyways if the only reason you're playing is to prove people that have no effect on your life wrong i feel real sorry for you :o like i said though its up to you to decide how you play this game, good luck to you hope your having loads of fun
     
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    Fun enough, at least 200 episodes of One Piece to watch!
     
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    I'm definitely not following your logic here. x_x What has beating a leeched player got to do with deserving or not deserving a place in the rankings?

    Just because a player is not competitive on your terms does not mean they are not competitive.
     
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    You make a bad impression on people, why so hostile? People come to the server because it's low-rate and challenging in the first place, this guy is just taking on the challenge his way, what's wrong with that?
    And how the **** did you manage to squeeze in "no social life" and "nolifer" in all of that... well frankly, it's bullshit. Keep your rude opinions to yourself, guy.
     
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