From what i understood about the new voting rules is that if you live with someone and you both play the server you can not have one vote from home and one vote from a phone to both be able to get nx anymore? How is this fair at all? Me and my boyfriend live together and he votes from our apartment and i go to my moms to vote, how is this an issue at all? So while everyone else can get there 8k nx per day, if you live with someone you get screwed out of nx because only one of you can vote once per day? This will also cause more accidental vote abusing. Example: One brother votes on his phone doesent tell the other brother and he votes from the computer, they have now vote abused by accident. Is there any way we can do a poll to see how to rest of the community feels about this?
From my understanding, the staff did this because of the recent influx of players. The upkeep of: Who shares the same IP? Lives in the same household? etc. soon enough (if not already), would just be way too much to handle; resulting in the recent rule revision.
Okay there are a few things I'm just a bit confused about. So Glamour, I'll take you and your lover as an example. If you guys vote with different IPs every day for nx, how is this an actual problem? Not to imply that the GMs are stupid or anything, but how do they know if you live under the same roof or not then? So then how do they track whether their new method can capture "new vote abusers"? As for a possible solution that MAY be a bit complicated, the GMs can keep the old system. For those who live under the same roof, be it parents, siblings, or lovers, players could fill out a form upon creating new accounts, such as: Q. Do you have anyone else who plays at home (i.e. Shares the same IP address as you) on our server? [ ] Yes [ ] No I. With "Yes", you should be required to enter the person/people's username(s) (and maybe passwords) to authorize it, this way it could create a record for the GMs to figure out which string of people are allowed to vote their limit within 24 hrs. II. With "No", it tells the GMs they can strictly vote twice (or three) within 24 hrs. To make the limits stricter, once you choose "Yes" or "No", the selection is permanent. This way, new accounts(if they choose no), will be restricted, and won't be able to abuse the voting system freely once they decide, "oh, the GMs probably won't catch me vote abusing if I make another account" later on because of Point I. As for currently existing accounts, they can still fill out the same question. A time limit of 48hrs or less can be implemented to fill it out upon release. "If this question is not answered by xx time, we will automatically register this account as partnerless." This isn't a perfect method, but it may be fairer to those living together. I just thought of this in 15 minutes, so it still has flaws. Definitely open to constructive criticism.
The way they tell if you are vote abusing is by checking your account and seeing if youve accumulated more nx then you should have that month, i dont see why things need to change? The system has always been this way and its worked perfectly. If they cant moniter all the players because of the influx then they need to hire more gms, not screw everyone who lives with someone. I have only my boyfriend with me, so were only 2, just imagine people who have a 4 person household? That means they can get 8k nx every 4 days. How in hell is this going to make everything more fair?
See theres no way to catch the new ones if they havent admitted they live together. Iv been honest about the way i vote and honest that i live with introvert. So basically all the older players get screwed. I think you have a good idea if we could keep the old system but have to say if we are in the same household with another player on the server and how many accounts so that if the gms want to check up on us they can see if we are being legit or not. I think youve got an idea here, there must be some way to create a solution without taking away nx from people who live together.
I can understand that you're upset but, I'm just explaining (more than likely) why it was done in the first place. The system that was in place, which I believe was PMing Dustin (Staff member that typically deals with vote abusing bans) about someone else living in your household that also plays, is no longer sufficient for the massive amount of players to upkeep with (evident through the recent change of rules). I'm not throwing anyone under the bus or pointing the finger nor am I choosing sides but, it was never about making things 'more fair'. It was simply done because it's a lot more work/effort for someone who's not even getting paid to go through the trouble. You might be right about needing more staff but, there are already so many staff members. Maybe another system can be implemented where a person is automatically recognized when they're signing up? i.e Something like Sapphire had brought up, assuming it's even possible. Probably would be a lot less of a hassle. TL ; DR dun eat me pls
No no i understand exactly what your saying. But the only FEW more vote abusers this is going to catch isent worth it compaired to the huge amount of players this is going to negativly effect. and dont worry, i wont!<3
I'm with Glamour on this. I live with my boyfriend as well, and now I have to wait ~8 days to get enough for a gacha run as does he. Just because we live together? It's not really fair, and though I understand it's a lot of work, I don't really see the compromise working for the players either. If I voted for my daily NX when I woke up, and my boyfriend comes home from work and wants to vote, I have to tell him no that he has to wait until tomorrow- and then I don't get to vote for myself the next day. If we were to alternate voting every other day for both of us, it'd take us over a week to get enough for a 30 ticket gacha run if that's what we wanted to get. But other players who live alone can get enough within 4 days. What's wrong with the old system? Checking to see who has accumulated too much NX via vote abusing? Sharing a household (and using a different IP to vote for each- such as a phone for my boyfriend and the wifi for me) shouldn't be any different than if two people lived apart.
I believe you when you say you've been honest. But I did post that the newer players can be caught. Upon account creation, if the players choose no, then that selection is permanent and they can't change it, and in order to activate the account, they MUST make a selection. That makes it easier for GMs to figure out who's staying within the limit and who's stepped out of bounds. (Why would genuine MapleRoyal newcomers think of vote abuse right away?) It's not that the older players get screwed. I said in order to establish that existing accounts have/don't have multiple players in the same residence, they may receive the same question, maybe through pm or something, but if it's not answered within 48 hrs or xx time, it will automatically be registered as partnerless (no one shares the IP address). To authorize that the accounts share the same IPs they can enter usernames and passwords. Also, thanks for clearing up how the GMs check if people are vote abusing or not. It clears things up lol.
Yeah I share a home with my 84 siblings, cousins, parents, dogs, and grandparents. We all play MapleRoyals. Yeah.. all our IGNs are votemule1, votemule2, ..., votemule84.
A whitelist of some sort that can be automatically checked would probably work the best, I think.. but I don't know anything about coding or how hard or easy it would be to implement. The thing is, with rule changes like this, people who vote abuse are going to continue regardless. They know the rules and they break them knowingly. All it really does is impact those who legit play with another person (be it a spouse, a sibling or a roommate), because then they're at a disadvantage. I wish I had a better idea on how to help without making it hell for the admins to enforce, too, but taking away something is not really going to be fair - in my opinion.. Basically, this means that it will take me (and everyone else who lives with someone) twice as long to save up the amount of NX that someone else can get alone. :/
So basically with the new rules coming into effect I am seeing the same message and the message is pretty clear. They either want people like Sila and her boyfriend and Glamour and myself to basically suck it up and deal with the fact that only one of us is allowed to vote for NX (even though we all own our own accounts and nobody else plays on them) or decide whether or not we want to have a relationship with that person in order to abide by the rules for voting for NX. I don't know if it's just us who are currently against it or not but I find that laughable and hard to swallow. I'd rather see the voting for NX system completely be removed from the server before I get told what to do and how to vote just because I have a life and share the same IP as a loved one. I understand that Matt owns the server and he may do whatever he pleases and make up hundreds of silly rules that nobody has to like but there's a limit to telling people what they can and can't do because their personal lives interfere with a made up rule on the server. My girlfriend and I have been together for 7 years now. This may or may not be the last person I ever date or be with before deciding whether it's a forever thing and you are not allowed to tell me that the both of us cannot vote for NX and play under the same roof, sorry but that's just the reality of it. Aside from those personal issues I have with the new system, I would like to know what specifically in these new set of rules is going to prevent people from abusing NX? They can still create multiple accounts and vote from multiple IP's and use various methods to getting around your system no matter what you do right? And what does that mean for the economy? So single players living at home with their moms or by themselves in an apartment/house are going to have twice up to the twice the advantage in voting over every other person who shares an IP? So let's wait and see how long it takes for small group of to completely take over the economy by Gach'ing two times as many times as every other shared IP users, that'll be fun. Anyways, until the system is changed, consider me and Glamour a couple "living" under the same roof and playing from the same IP but voting from different places to get our NX like we have been this whole time. If the new system does go through as planned, I'll be sure to post an official and very public break up thread on the forums to show everyone that we are no longer a couple living under the same roof but just friends who play from the same IP, with me voting from my parents house (which is 5 minutes from her apartment) and her voting from her apartment. This way there is no vote abusing like there isn't now and the new system does absolutely nothing unless we get banned either way just because. Most of my rant on the subject is basically because I don't appreciate being told what I can or can't do without directly being told what I can't do if you know what I mean? The rule is not quite telling me to break up with my girlfriend or go to an insane extent but if you read between the lines it's basically giving me no choice if I want to vote and avoid being banned.
You're reading a little too far into it. It's not a nonsense rule, as much as I find it annoying. It's a lot of work for Dustin and the others to keep on top of who is vote abusing and who has two people playing together. That's the likely reason for the rule being changed. I can expand on this later but I'm mobile right now.
So we have to suffer because they are having trouble keeping up with all the people vote abusing? Im pretty sure that instead of enforcing such a harsh rule, they could have thought up a better solution. It doesent matter what happens now, he wont be staying with me anymore come monday. He will stay at his house 5 minutes away and he can vote from there, and hes always welcome to come play at my apartment.
Maybe youhhave an easy solution like that,but others do not. I'm having hard time trying to type on this phone. Think up a solution. Aquarius brought up a good idea that could be worked with possibly. My idea is somewhere along the lines of a white list system,but how to implement it and reduce workload for the staff? People will use it as a excuse when they get banned for vote abusing. There would have to be some way to let people like us who legit play with another person, without making it easy to abuse.
Well first if all, I'm pretty sure they check the IP's and MAC's a person votes and logs in with to catch vote abusers, not check NX accumulation. Or else everyone who gets NX from bossing would be banned. Second, I agree with Glamour, I understand that it's more difficult now with the influx of players, but this is supremely unfair for those who live with another player. My brother and I used to play before he quit, we just make sure to vote in our phones so we weren't mistaken for vote abusers. And I know many others who have 2-4 people living in their houses who all play Royals. It is completely unfair that they be put at a competitive disadvantage. Being able to get 8k NX a day as opposed to 4k is like having two people play an account instead of one. I think having a system like Saphire proposed would be more ideal than just having people PM Dustin. But no matter what this rule is definitely unfair for a large portion of the player base.
The problem is that people already invent "brothers" that play the game as it is, quite possibly more than there are legitimate people staying with each other. This isn't fair either. There is no way to have your cake and eat it too, either a lot are going to cheat the system if it's allowed and (semi) automated, or a lot are going to be at a disadvantage. I'd rather the latter personally, because I don't think that lying should be able to get you ahead. The reason the old system used to work somewhat effectively is because Dustin would frequently check the playing logs of people that were "playing with siblings/etc" to make sure that there were actually multiple people playing. I'd rather not have to go through 50 logs a month to ensure that people aren't abusing the system in that scenario too.
You only like the latter because you're not adversely affected. And don't those that are the only ones that play in their households have their cake and eat it too? I agree that lying shouldn't get you ahead, but should people who are completely legitimate be held at a disadvantage for something they cannot control?
All I can say is that we're brainstorming ideas to try and get round the various problems - can't promise anything, just letting you know that yes, we do actually care about our legitimate players.
Well couldent something like this work? If you have someone else in your household that is playing mapleroyals you need to notify the staff (I was thinking you create a section of the forums just for this and we would post a topic following a proper format that states who is living with us what our accounts are and how exactly we would be voting like from someone elses house or a phone, leave all the thread open so that we can edit if situations change,or you can close and we can make a new thread). Now if you chose not to notify the staff(you can put this in the ToC, that they have to use that thread if someone else in the household is playing. So you can be sure they have seen it before they start playing on this server) And you vote from your phone and computer then you can issue a ban, and there can be no "i didnt know" because it was in the ToC. The staff can then keep track of all the legit players playing with there loved ones and siblings, and ban the rest who chose not to follow the rules. This would be one way to do it without creating alot of work for the gms because we create the list with our threads,we are kept track of in that thread and if they feel someone is vote abusing all they have to do is check the thread, if they are not on the thread then they get banned.
