I have not voted [on this poll] because I do not like the new rules, but that doesn't mean I think we should go back to the old rules. The new rules were not made to be fair. This server is run by volunteers. Dustin is a volunteer. Pretty much we're choosing between the old rules + dustin spending hours of his time going through logs or the new rules + dustin having more time to himself. Remember that Dustin is not paid, and he has a ton of other GM duties on top of this. I think most would agree Dustin is one of the best GM's on the server. If a company like Nexon had made this same decision, I would be furious because they are lazy and greedy and DO have the resources to maintain the old rules. But MapleRoyals does not. I'm glad they're looking at other solutions. I think that vote abuse bans should be longer, to reflect the amount of time Dustin spends dealing with it. I also think that second offence should be perma ban (or very very long ban). It is disgusting that some people view the rules as meaning its okay to vote abuse twice but don't do it three times, as we saw in some recent ban appeals.
I also agree with ^. Longer ban times for intentional abuse, and perm for repeated abusers (twice in a row). Once can be an accident, but twice or more is intentional. I've heard people say "I know it's against the rules but I don't care, it's just a game" way more times than i can count. I know it's a lot of work (or at least I can understand it being such). I do appreciate all that the staff team put into everything. I'm sure that there will be a fair middle ground figured out somehow, with everyone putting their brains together like this.
There is no automated system I can think of that will be accomplishing this. In the end, it's going to require man-hours if it's to be reverted somehow. No sort of "But I posted in this thread" because that is quite easy to lie about. No "Multiple voter" applications. That'd just change the excessive man-hours from the current sifting through potential abusers to sifting through potential fake applications... And still would likely not even eliminate having to sift through abusers. What is kind of frustrating to me is how seemingly entitled everyone is acting over this. This is a free game and largely volunteer-based. People work their asses off to keep it up and this is such a minimal change. The free NX is a blessing in the first place. There's people crying "outrage, this isn't fair to me!" while I don't really see how it's fair to Dustin to have to put in the amount of work he does for such a trivial thing. Nice to see the GMs still trying to come to a compromise though. You guys are awesome. <3
This new rule discourages players to play with IRL friends. Period. Players can not and should not be responsible for measuring the amount of time they play at the same IP versus at their own places just to avoid a potential vote abuse ban. No rule should ever go into effect where legitimate players feel the need to game the system. Especially so, no game should ever have rules that limit IRL interaction with fellow players, which is toxic both for the growth of the game and the players' well-being. I pray that the GMs are working on an alternative...
"When you can't find fault in an argument opposing your point of view, just ridicule it instead." - How not to debate 101
The whole post was kissing ass, why i lol'd. Iv already given my opinion, i am not going to repeat myself 1000 times. I get why dustins doing it, have nothing against his reasons, i bet its a pain in the ass, but the amount of players that will be at a disadvatage in my opinion is not worth it and we have every right to complain and give ideas on how to make everyone happy.There will always be vote abusers, there is no way to stop it, but to punish legit players is not the answer. If people chose to join the server knowing this rule it would be diffrent, because they would be joining knowing before hand that they would be at a disadvantage.
I don't appreciate this comment in the least. Yes, it is absolutely true that the previous system had become unmanageable and I completely understand why Dustin needed to make this change. This, however, doesn't invalidate the feelings and views of legitimate players who have geuninely lost out through no fault of their own. It's perfectly reasonable that they would be upset by this change.
Apart from the last two lines, I don't think his post was ass kissing at all, rather it was merely challenging the mindset of entitlement a lot of people here seem to have. Regarding the end of your post, are you suggesting that rules should not ever be changed, as this is "unfair" to those currently playing? This seems a rather extreme view, and I suspect not what you mean as numerous other rules have been introduced/modified/clarified since you've joined. If you mean that new players might be mislead in to not understanding what constitutes vote abuse, it's their own responsibility to read the T&C in its entirety. Finally, alternative solutions are being considered by the staff. Yes, there currently is no known equitable solution, but one may yet present itself. None of the solutions in the thread so far have solved all three issues simultaneously: - Distinguishing reasonably accurately whether accounts are being played by the same person - Allowing separate people to vote on the same IP - Not wasting excessive amounts of staff time And thus any "solutions" currently suggested are just compromises favouring some outcomes more than others.
I'm not saying they can't be upset about it and I'm sorry if it got misconstrued. But the thread is seemingly coming off as a demand for change when, in reality, it's a minor inconvenience. If people would give up on this server simply because they can't accumulate NX as quickly... It seems to be an abysmal reason. Yeah, this was what I was going for. Playing it off as "ass-kissing" but then ignoring the whole message I was trying to get across and following it up with : "i bet its a pain in the ass, but the amount of players that will be at a disadvatage in my opinion is not worth it ". That's straight up saying "Yeah, it's going to be a shit load of work for him but at least I get it my way." Again, yes, it sucks for you. But the GMs are working on it and it isn't like having slowed NX impacts your ability to play this game. Oh well.
Now, I do see your point about player entitlement, but I think that these are 2 extremely problematic, if not, entirely false assumptions. NX plays a vital role in this game. Gach is a key economic tool, NX items like AP Resets, Charms and clothing are frequently bartered. Players who have less of these, or are unable to trade it (see this post) will be at a severe disadvantage, and it will likely to have a debilitating effect on the economy. This is why we are continuously emphasizing that fairness is at stake. So yeah, while I understand your concerns, downplaying the severity of it is not the way to go about it.
Not realated to gaining NX by voting but I'm now looking at reputation which is gained from voting... Even if 5 people had 10 accounts total. Yes, they probably each have 2 or more sets of NX coming in by giving unique votes...but they also had two votes(well 4 if you count both sites by both accounts) going to the rankings of our well made/maintained server. How will that impact us in the long run? If it even will. I'm just asking as it's something that's on my mind. If it's irrelevent I can remove the whole thing.
maybe instead of voting for nx, each account corresponding to each IP address, should automatically be given 8k nx a day. Those who live with a sibling or boyfriend should be kept on white list. That way each person using the same IP address would get their fair share of 8k NX a day. That way, no one would attempt to vote abuse, if there is an automatic system that distributes NX evenly and fairly.
NX is an incentive for voting for the server, which increases popularity and brings more people to the server. It's not something guaranteed, it's an incentive.
Yes thats why they are trying to find a way to make it easier on dustin,catch vote abusers, and make it fair for everyone.
How else would you advertise the server? Like it or not gtop100 gets a lot of traffic. I wasn't implying that voting was good for gameplay, but rather good for advertising.
We had decided to keep the rules as is and there was no need to change the rules. The vast majority of players have learned to adapt to the change, and it allows the vote abuse check to work a lot better for staff members who are doing the checking.
