Faming/defaming

Thank you for being insightful, I was worried no one would catch that. Mike did it right IMO. BUT, people don't like him for whatever reason and just wanted to see him get banned (for their own pleasure or to feel satisfied with life who knows)

It seems that people were pushing the GMs to ban mike because they didn't like Mike, say things like "don't play favorites" or we will riot (made up the riot part cuz it sounds like something they would say). This case with mike is different from others because there was no other harassment involved and the GM's are still trying to get over their shock on how people are taking this so seriously so they had no choice but to ban Mike to be "fair".

/end rant

 

It however, is a game feature. Which you unlock at lvl 15, on any char you have trained. You are allowed to use them.
If defaming several times is not allowed, why are we allowed to fame several times? Why are people who scam several fames not getting banned for it? But get their fame reduced. If anything, the person who got mass defamed should have his fame upped by a GM then. This should work both ways. They enforce 1 way a lot more strict than the other which is simply unfair.

I know perfectly fine what harassment is, thank you for your concerns about my vocabulary but it's not needed.

 

Personally I don't think mass defaming is a bannable offence. Mass defaming is a game mechanic.

But at the same time, it does offend player sensibilities, so I can understand if it were to be made officially bannable.

The problem now is that it is neither official or unofficial. The fact is, though, that people have been banned for it, so following the precedent is an absolute must so as to preserve fairness. So the best would be an official clarification on this matter, which I'm glad this thread is pursuing (albeit highly polarising...).

One reason why I suspect it isn't explicitly covered in the TOC is because the nature of harassment is just so vast and subjective, and it's simply unfeasible to do so. A good rule of thumb, however, is how Kat used "inciting friends and guild to defame", " following the player everywhere to defame " or " smegaing for defame " as this is similar to ganging up and bullying behaviour, which increases the severity of the offence and thus warrants punishment. But unfortunately, not all past cases follow this criteria and hence resulting in confusion.

 

You're literally saying that just because we can, we should be able to?
Okay so I can discriminate people because I can? I can wear the KKK signs on my shirt because I can on the forum? I mean the feature is there right? That's what you're saying isn't it? We unlock it at level 15 so we can defame anyone as much how we want because we can! I should gather up a bunch of nazis to discriminate the jews because at level 1 we got a bar that allows us to type.


Do you hear how that sounds?

Just because we can doesn't mean we should

 

http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=4631
you took matt's quote and cut it off... the rest of it says
Of course defaming is allowed, but obviously should be used in the correct manner. Anyway the problem here is not the defaming but the harassment around it. Wottle has been temporarily banned again.

The guy in the example thread wasn't banned for mass defame, rather for being a complete prick...

 

Except that is harassement and racist. Which is stated in the ToS is not allowed.
How are defames even related to that?
Please, do some logic thinking before you post. I appreciate feedback but this is nonsense.

 

Logic thinking? You're telling me we can so we should be able to. That's what I'm saying we can use the chat bar so we should be able to right?

And the bold bit.

Mass defaming is also harassment, I have said it multiple times.

 

I only used what was necessary.

 

*popcorn*

 

You've said it multiple times, however the oppinions on it differ and do not change by repeating yourself.
If a game feature is actually be able to be used to harass, they should simply disable this feature. If it's not harassment, it should be able to be used. As it is now.

No, you didn't. You used what suited you best. That's why only a part was used.

 

Every player should only be able to defame someone else once. Why?

Because it gives those players with more mules, more immunity to defames. If I have 100 mules and I can just mass defame anyone who defames me, NO ONE is going to dare to defame me. This gives me unfair power over other players.

Defaming is an important mechanic to deterring people from acting like assholes. Removing that mechanic for select few who have mules is unfair and, IMO, actually promotes more asshole players.

Ironically this same community who chews people out for "petty" harrassment reports are also failing to defend the only in-game mechanic designed to deal with harrassment...

 

To bold bit:
Then I guess we should disable the chat bar as well.


to underlined bit:

Are we fighting or debating? Please.

 

Lets get it over with and ban kudos for mass fame scamming plz.

 

That is completely different, a chat bar is a generic feature, but the way it is used differs from person to person, it can be used for harassment or just general conversation among other things. The fame feature is universally the same for everyone and shouldn't be a banable offense no matter how many fames or defames are involved as long as no verbal abuse surrounds it and it's all the same person's characters IMO.

 

Except the chat has written rules about it. Where as faming/defaming doesn't.
We are debating, so use whatever is being said, not part of it to change the actual meaning of it. Thanks.

 

Since mass defaming is harassment, can i report someone for mass faming me?

 

That's the whole point here. The feature has 2 sides, yet 1 can get you banned as the other side is perfectly fine. I think this is a pretty big flaw in the system.

 

ha·rass·ment [huh-ras-muhnt, har-uhs-muhnt] Show IPA
noun
the act or an instance of harassing, or disturbing, pestering, or troubling repeatedly; persecution: She sued her boss for sexual harassment.

According to dictionary.com, defame can be consider as harassment.

def·a·ma·tion
ˌdefəˈmāSHən/Submit
noun
the action of damaging the good reputation of someone; slander or libel.

But, defaming someone is also illegal as it is Defamation. So i can sue you for defaming someone? Your commiting a defamation tort under the law. Thats Illegal.

 

Faming and Defaming are not the same feature.

Faming = Promoting good deeds, increasing someone's reputation.

Defaming = Retaliation for perceived harrassment or abuse, and decreasing someone's reputation.

Look at the real world. If someone wrongs you and you talk about it to other people, it's OK. If you someone wrongs you and you go to great lengths to destroy that person's reputation, you may be prosecuted for libel or slander. On the other hand, nothing is wrong with telling someone how great they are, or telling other people how great this person is, even if you go to great lengths.

And TBH I see nothing wrong with this.

 

What if someone was aiming for defames and someone famed them, same case.