The new level 50 requirement definitely hurts vote abusers, but it has also artificially inflated the market. There are (probably) tons of AP resets in circulation, but people, merchants likely, are holding on to them in the hopes that they'll increase in price. This however, as noted, artificially inflates the price of AP resets simply because there are not enough being sold at this time. AP resets are still a safe source of mesos for newer players (@ their current price you are able to make 300m100m) every 31k nx - which is a fairly decent transfer rate given that the average 35ticket run at mushroom shrine yields maybe 150m. I believe that if AP resets were to be sold from Albert, for, say, 12mil then newer players would still be able to sell ap resets for quick and easy money @ 10mil each while still allowing people to avoid the hassle of sitting in FM for days acquiring the thousands of AP resets they need for a wash. I discussed this in the shoutbox with a few other users, and there were some talks of adding a cap to the number that can be purchased from Albert; however, I think this is inherently flawed. Albert selling AP resets would be, purely, a convenience thing as well as a solid meso sink. For a lot of people that increase would raise the cost of their wash by 2b, but having an unlimited supply, at least, to me, seems to be a fair trade-off. Anyways, how do people feel about this idea?
Can you clarify the math on how 31k NX becomes 300m mesos? That's 10 AP Rests at 30m each. I haven't logged into the game in a while but there's no way they've inflated so heavily.
oops LOL. Thanks for pointing that out. In any case, 100m isn't a bad run. Gaching @ Mushroom shrine usually only yields ~120m. with obviously a chance for more and a chance for less.
Unless they came out as 3-5x regular price Im completely against this addition. It discourages trades and even messes with the pricerange demand vs supply. hp washing isnt mandatory either it's supposed to be a luxury kind of thing for wealthy people. You could always offer to pay more per AP reset if you are in a serious need of washing to play said character. But in all seriousness the level 50 requirement doesnt change much because of how easy it is to get to level 50, it only stops the blatant cheaters and is a good thing in the end
That is not true. HP washing is necessary if you want to do bossing in 4th job. If you don't hp wash on a char that doesn't have much hp, then basically there's nothing much left for you to do when you get to lvl 130 and beyond
I don’t think this is necessarily true actually. HP washing while it existed didn’t really happen in GMS because of the amount of real world money needed to buy the NX to buy those resets. Yet the players were still able to boss and play and get to 200. So I don’t really see the argument that you HAVE to wash as a valid one unless I forgot to consider something, which is possible.
You're definitely not wrong; however, also consider the number of people GMS had. For things like Pink Bean it was really easy to find 6 crews of 1 BS, 1DK, and 4 ranged attackers. On this server, given it's relatively low population, its often much more difficult to find people who are willing and able. Also, because HP washing is already, sort of, the "standard," any characters who are unwashed are less desired since their needs have to be accounted for in order to keep them alive - or at least this is how I see it - I may, or may not, be biased.
I'd argue if you don't die and can keep up your DPS, your HP is not a matter of concern. More HP just makes it easier to do, but not required. I feel most people wash because of the ease, the benefit it gives, and because it doesn't cost any real world money (unlike GMS). The only time I can see it being an issue is if you need HB, but other than that "Can you survive? Yes? Good lets go." is usually he extent of the conversation. Edit: That said, I don't see the harm in AP resets being sold by albert (in the same breath, SP resets), as they're almost entirely internal uses (they don't spawn items like gach does). But, it's a lot more complicated than that, and it'd difficult to say how it would affect the market.
This topic comes out with a discussion from this topic: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/white-scroll-and-chaos-scroll.103527/ The idea of AP Resets at any NPC is not based on the need of them, but being considered a great way to sink mesos. And also, since it was used as the main way for vote abusers to make money, having them on NPC makes it useless as NX profit. And another good point out of this, is that since it's not a NX profit anymore, the players who used to buy them for mesos, will more likely to start gach'in, and that will turn up to more CS/WS's and other Gach stuff around the market. I'm totally agreed to this idea, and the price should be between the actual market price 9~10m, it has been like this for over a year.
I've washed 2 NLs now, and I wouldn't be against them selling at 5-6m each. It makes HP washing much friendlier to new players, yet sinks A LOT of mesos from the system still based on how many resets is needed to completely wash a character. Sucks that other people can do it cheaper sure, but it makes it less daunting to the newer and unfunded players.
Pre-fixing it's price into the avg price will make people sell it for less when it comes from Cash Shop. I doubt that, even if it's being sold at a NPC, people won't still buy them from Cash Shop Same happened before with Teleport Rocks. If you don't want to buy them for 10m at NPC, buy from people for 7-8m (example)
I was looking more at the fact that a lower price (5-6m) would completely destroy people from vote abusing to gain millions from selling AP Resets. They would lose 40-50% of their profit at these rates. And it also helps newer people who see all the posts on people stating how mandatory HP washing is (when in reality it isn't mandatory). Sucks for the people who paid 8-10m per reset, but it breathes fresh air towards new players reading about HP Washing and what this servers standards have basically become. EDIT: Okay not completely destroy, but it would reduce the amount of vote abusing by at least a little bit.
It's already reduced because of the change to lv50 to buy. There will be less people to abuse voting for APs since they will need to grind up lots of Lv50 chars. And also, if they have to go to lv50, I doubt they will still buy APs, they could just invest in Gachapon.
As a money sink I fully agree to it after giving it some thought. However I believe 2-3x the current price would be a better choice than the current 9-10 or even the lower 5-6 suggested. Against the cheaper case; other people had to spend billions and so should new people if they wish to hp wash(not mandatory). Similar to how nerfing chaos/whites in the future wouldnt be fair due to godly items existing already from already used ones. Keeping ap resets at the same price will do good and bad. The only good thing about this is the fact that there's a money sink and that will help the economy, everything else is bad about it. People who actually want to sell ap resets will be forced to sell it for cheap (see teleport rocks etc) and the super rich people can wash in an instant without looking for buyers, removing the need for interaction and distancing from other players. However setting it at 20-30m (~2-3x) would let those really rich people wash if they really wanted to while not ruining the other aspects too much, whilst also doing the money-sink part and a really good job at it at the same time. People moving away from ap resets and into gacha is a good thing aswell as it will make ap resets more scarce and make chaos/white scrolls more common, driving down money gain a bit. But in the end it wont really do too much since you can make so much money just from monster drops if you have a magician at 4th job, ontop of being able to sell leech. People even afk farm tooths and crap and the issue from getting too rich too quick stems from the droprate alone, but again, changing these things will only fuck over new people and putting old & really wealthy people even more ahead, which is why many have suggested fixes into a new world in the future (ws/cs+drop nerfs etc).
@inflames Making them twice as expensive won't change anything. People won't pay 20m+ for AP Resets if they could keep buying off people for 10m or less. Vote abusers will still buy AP Resets to make out money from people. Who makes money off of AP Resets won't split into Gaching.
ah maybe you're right i wrote that with the thought of the 50+ req stopping most of the vote abusers but i could be wrong of course
Making them Lv50+ will reduce the number of abusers, of course, but not eliminate them. It's only a bit harder for them now, since they will have to level up that accounts. Making AP available out of a NPC will reduce even more, since they won't have enought buyers. That will make them go to gaching, and that will make them more visible to GMs to check the abusers.
Nailed it with this. I am fairly new to this server, before i reached lvl 50 i was told to sell AP resets for easy cash. So i did. Then the lvl 50 limit came and i wasn't 50 yet. But a couple of days ago i hit the 50 mark and was like... mhhhh why invest this into AP reset if i can gain more from Gachapon. Over the total 105 gacha tickets i yielded over 3 chaos's and other scrolls such as a claw 30% shield magic attack, etc, etc. Boy, i now regret spending my pre-50 nx on AP resets lol. There is legit no reason to buy AP resets other then needing it yourself, but then again you're still better off gacha'ing and spending that cash on people that did buy AP resets.
There was a guy who did something like 600-700 tickets and 0 chaos scrolls. Just because you got 3 Chaos in 105 tickets doesn't mean there is no reason to sell AP Resets. Its a gamble, while selling AP Resets is guaranteed money.
That guy was me, but I still made reasonable money with the 30/70 scrolls, around the same ammount of money i'd have made out of AP Resets. The thing is the gamble, you may get twice the profit if you have that kind of luck. I never bought a single TP Rock or AP Reset with my NX, only Gach (and of course equips for myself)
