Alright, so as I'm sure you all know, there was a ban during the cake event for KS'ing. The premise was that the party in question asked the player in question to stop attacking their cake; and since he didn't it broke a the KS'ing rule and ended in a 3 day ban. I am all up for rule breakers being banned, and I am impartial to this situation since I don't know the entire story. Though it got me to thinking, and here's my question to the community: If that resulted in a ban, then next time during any kind of event involving monsters, all I need to do is tell everyone on the map not to attack. Then I get it to myself or they get banned. Correct? Because if they don't get banned, isn't that unfair treatment to the person who did get banned? It's the same premise. During an event, the monsters are global and open to everyone. So all it takes is me screenshotting my character asking everyone to not attack the event monster; in FM or anywhere and I can get half the server banned during events. Just my 2 cents. I'd like to hear what the rest of you think. Also; don't base this on the person banned or the party involved. Just on your opinion of fairness to the concept.
I would like to weigh in on the issue. I have been on several private servers before this one and I will be honest, I have never seen something like this become such an issue that a thread had to be made. Why? Because the players were respectful of each other. If a GM spawned snails in the FM as a mini event, players know it's a free for all, there's no other channels where the vast quantities of snails have been spawned, etc. However, when there's an event scattered throughout multiple maps and multiple channels on the server, players should be showing respect to their fellow players, much the same way when someone is at GS2, the player who comes later switches to another channel and finds one that is free. This whole cake event thing is just like being at GS2 or any other highly desired map. If people can't be respectful and know when it's okay and not okay to fight a mob, then maybe the staff should rethink having events like this in the future.
I agree with Dkaru. This is not a Bigfoot or anything, it's an EVENT boss. It was my understanding that events were for the COMMUNITY to enjoy. The people who claim they were ks'd were fairly high levels. If they hadn't killed or at least done most of the damage before Anesthetize showed up, then they can't really say they were there long enough to claim it as their own anyways. Side note: Sometimes people's personal attachments can cloud their judgement.
These people killing the 10m hp mob where level 20s doing 400 damage and they added me to party lololol I helped them kill it. and i let them have the drops
That's a very fair point. I completely agree that respect plays a huge role in this, and common sense of course. Though another way to look at it; what if the event instead spawned multiple monsters; kind of like the cake event, through different channels and it was a kind of "hide and seek" event. Again, the majority of the player base would understand that it's a free for all, but there might be a small group that parties up, gets one of the monsters to 50%, and when they get KS'd feel overly offended and complain. I just view this ban as a gateway ban. Once you ban for any kind of event KS'ing, it seems like you'll need to ban for other very simple event related things based on someone getting offended. You have to also know, I'm impartial to all this. It's just my point of view and honest opinion. I completely respect the decision made, but you also need to understand how others could view the decision.
My question is, if someone really was banned for KSing, and not actual harassment, then why? The only way to legitimately prove KSing is to take a video of it happening. A SS really proves nothing as they can be edited or only show a (read:biased) portion of the whole situation. Saying you can use a SS to prove KSing is, in my opinion, like saying you can use a SS to prove speed hacking on WoW. It's just not really possible. KSing isn't something you can be banned for on GMS. You might get a reputation for it, but you don't get banned for it. Imo, true harassment (i.e. following someone around for 10+ minutes KSing them) should be a actionable offense, but trying to action on regular KSing is just silly. All of that being said, I'm guessing the reason KSing is illegal here is because it is a small community and there is almost always space in another channel so no need to KS?
my 1 and a half cents worth I feel simply sordid right now because I know that if I were there- I could probably have prevented this as I knew all the parties involved. T.T Before I begin- here's some cakes for everyone! -passes out personally baked cakes- Let's not flame any of the parties involved k gaiz? ---------------------------- In any case, I can empathize with both parties involved. I remember being horribly ksed 5? 6? years ago in maplesea as a priest- and having to cc, licking my wounds, cussing at the computer while some douche stole my map. Also, I remember ksing noobs for the fun of it :/(Sorrydon'tjudgemeIwasboredandyoung) with Genesis after reaching 12x, and feeling that cheapthrill of temporary superiority lolol Being a reasonably leveled player on this server- I did have the feeling that ksing (at an event nontheless) was a rather silly thing to get temp banned for- in all honesty. However, consider the context of the situation. This is a private server- and there are established rules to prevent this server from heading down the path of hell. Remember all those ccplz, insane amounts of swearing, and childish behaviour we experienced on the "real" servers? I'm sure none of you want that to ever happen. If there is an event for killing monsters whereby the GM declares it a free-for-all, ksing will definitely happen. Simply because some players are more OP-ed then others. (and bother to ppl2pass more heheh) However, there is a difference with regards to events between a map controlled by the GM (who enforces rules) and bosses that spawn randomly in maps (like this scenario). I quote from John, one of our GMs. The rules include: "Engaging in rude, unlawful, harassing, vulgar, obscene, hateful, threatening, abusive or otherwise objectionable behavior, including, without limitation, looting, kill stealing, making sexual comments; Punishment: 1st offence - 3 day ban, 2nd offence - 7 day ban, 3rd offence - permanent ban" I believe that most of our players are reasonably mature- and as such; know how to respect our fellow players, even if they are 70 levels below. Perhaps this is exceedingly strict for a server- but I feel that it helps protect the lower levelled from being bullied crazily by the pros :/ (I'm not stating that that Ane went on a all out bullying spree, because I believe he's better then that ^^) As such, it's not about telling your fellow players to CCPLZORREPORT or DONTKSORBAN- but more of politely asking them to leave because you wanted to solo, and for the pros/people who came after: acquising because someone had the luck to find the boss/map/monster before you did Besides, what about partying? HS -cough--cough- I think this can just serve as a warning (Sorry Ane :/ Could have been me cos I was contemplating ksing you at skeles the other day ) - perhaps not to blow things up, but that we ought to respect each other irregardless of levels xD We're here to have fun gaiz! Now, PPL2PASS, LERN2GRIND /LERN2SOCIAL PL0X LUBS 2 ALL <333
It's really really sad that this is even an issue. Guys, this isn't GMS this is a small private server. There should ALWAYS be enough space for everyone to train, especially considering that there are 8 channels for around 50-90 players. I may be new here, but I have never had a problem finding a space to train. Are we seriously going to let high level people assert their dominance over lower level characters? There is absolutely NO reason for ANYONE to be a jerk and KS. Danerys made a solid point. Do we really want to go back to the "KS wars" everyone used to have on the official servers? Or would we rather play in a private server where everyone respects one another? Just my two cents. ~Dan EDIT: Not only did Ane KS, he was a jerk about it.
The premise of the topic is an event monster, not a hunting ground or BigFoot, it's about event monsters that entail competition.
There are enough cakes to go around. Does it even really matter? It's not like a GM was spawning NX snails in FM. If someone asks you to leave, CC and find your own cake. Don't linger and act like a jerk only because you're stronger. EDIT: And don't ALL monsters entail some kind of competition? Depends on the situation at hand.
Yes, but during an event, there has to be different stringent rules, not the everyday rules. So, in that sense, each person should be guaranteed a cake, or it's unfair. What if one guild decides to put one level 10 on each channel to farm cakes? It'll take them a day to kill it, but no one is allowed to complain, it's unfair; but it's the rules I suppose?
I'd like to say something. This is Very childish. You DON'T ks other people. As simple as that. There is no need for this discussion to even take place if people would just use their common sense and respect each other.
But Cinnamon wasn't in a party with Ane. I think you're getting this confused with some other event. Edit: http://www.use.com/images/s_2/faec91dc1b47d9c2ce5b_1.jpg you can even see in this pic that they weren't partying.
I think that the best solution to this would be for the GM to set clear rules for events, so as to avoid any ambiguity. For example, monster-spawn events could be announced (both ingame and on the forum) as either "Free-for-all" or "No KS-ing". This sort of rule probably *shouldn't* be necessary; however, given that different people have different takes on what constitutes reasonable behaviour during an event, I think rules would be useful.
I know I seem to be "in favour" of the KS'ing, but not at all. I just figure rules should be clear before any bans are given. Especially for when the server expands. There will be more GM/player alliances by then, and since Cinammon was involved in this and from what I've heard he has a close relationship with Faye, one of the GMs. You can understand how this looks. KS'ing IS in the rules, and therefore a ban was fair, BUT during events it's usually assumed free for all unless otherwise stated, since there was no warning from a GM, and the screenshots don't show enough for it to seem like a fair ban, it can only be assumed that the GMs pulled string for Cinammon and things like this stick with the server's reputation forever. The GMs dealt with it in favour of the rules, but it didn't seem 100% fair based on all the things given. Therefore this topic is much more valid than a lot of people assume. In order to fully understand this situation, every little detail needs to be considered BECAUSE it was during an event, not an everyday scenario; and furthermore because one of the GMs close friends was involved, and that same GM got involved with the ban.
For the record, I banned Anes, not Faye. Faye's relation to Cinnamon played no part in my decision. I asked Cinnamon for screenshots (as I would ask for any other player, such as when I asked Anes for SS of him being KSed by someone else in his ban appeals thread), they were provided to me, and I made my decision. So Faye being a GM had nothing to do with the situation at all.
It's not just KS, it's being respectable towards other players. Cinnamon told Anesthetize he and Cloves are handling this cake monster. Anesthetize took it upon himself to continue to kill the cake monster. If he were respecting his fellow players, he would leave. He would not send out a smega telling Cinnamon that he'd KS him "Anytime bro <3." Anesthetize was NOT respecting his fellow players. He KS'ed them in not one, but two channels. A punishment was fair seeing as how players and the community are the lifeblood of this server and he tarnished that degree of respect. Plus there was documented proof of this blatant disrespect. And why does being partied matter? If you were NOT partied, leave the cake alone; they didn't want you to fight the cake they already started on. Do not continue to fight it and blame the others for not partying you.
