Thats the thing though lol, there shouldn't be a PRICE on NX because you get it for FREE. People complain about economic issues and inflation in royals, and ignore the that we get given free mesos every day. thats what i thought we should do about gacha tickets, make them boss drops.
First time I see someone complain about free nx. Let's make NX a limited feature, and see the game die.
I'm not against free nx, i'm against being able to easily convert the NX into substantial amounts of mesos. I think the NX we get for free should be purely cosmetic and not impact the actual gameplay/economy. yeah it sucks the only way to get a lot of people to play is give out free mesos current state of the "economy": Vote for NX -> sell ap resets -> buy leech from bishop -> bishop buys ap resets with leech money -> repeat When people can just sell ap resets, there is less reason to do PQs/hunt drops/quest for money. Why would you? If a significant portion of players quit because they can no longer convert their daily nx into leech money, then so be it.
That's the main reason this discussion started. If you remove AP Resets from the NX to Meso, it will not only serve as a meso sink, as well as making people burn their nx into other stuff. Gachapon is also "Free Meso" from NX, but it's a gamble, and also most of the stuff you get from it is useable, which means it's not going to increase the server wealthy. About PQ/Drops/Quests, it's mostly because they're worthless. If there was better return on doing a regular series of PQs, people would spend lots of time into it. But would you like to burn 20-30mins at LPQ for a few Lv50 Capes and Potions?
Again, the issue here is washing in general. Not NX to cash or anything like that. The issue is first and foremost HP washing as a whole.
Unfortunatelly, removing HP Wash is something that I doubt will happen in any soon future. They'd lose more players than gain with such thing. At least it's what I believe.
Yeah HP wash is deeply ingrained at this point, the least you can do is make it so HP wash is something you do by sinking mesos into albert, rather than sending those mesos out to other players. I feel the same way about gachapon, would be better if it were a rare drop from any mob and bosses spit them out. Make them for sale by albert for a set price meso sink, remove them from cash shop (or make them untradeable, either-or), and then HP washing will be relegated to those who want to do it, and the demand for AP resets doesn't impact the economy that everyone has to be part of regardless of whether they want to HP wash or not.
Its really funny because I was just about to post about this. First off Hp Washing is not necessary for all classes(and when it is it isn't necessary to go all the way to 18.75k or 30k). With that being said it is more of a luxury to Hp/Mp wash. My thoughts: The AP resets at the moment have to be bought by other players. It had an "okay" system before when there wasn't a level requirement to purchase them. The main people that purchased them were vote abusers(I don't support this/them) and people who are very new to the game. With that being said now the level requirement is 50 which is the same level requirement to buy gach tickets. This makes no sense because why would anybody settle on buying ap resets when they could gach for a chance at ridiculous amounts of money. Lets say the average person waits to get 30k NX to gach with 35 tickets. The average value of 35 gach tickets at mushroom shrine was valued at 100-150m each run(35 tickets) in dark scrolls(my gach runs at shrine = 455 tickets). Im not even counting the chaos scrolls I have gotten. How much money would I have made if I were to sell AP resets? (455 tickets = 390k NX) 390,000/3100= 125.8 AP resets, which would equal to 1.26B mesos. Gatch runs? 13 runs x 120m average(without chaos)= 1.56B. And once again, that's WITHOUT CHAOS. Just adding, in 13 runs I got a total of 4 chaos = about 2B(when I sold my chaos). Conclusion: This servers economy is heavily reliant on gach. Dark scrolls, Chaos, White Scrolls, Capes, Gloves and weapons. Its absurd to think that any legit player(people that don't vote abuse) would ever buy AP resets and sell them. And seeing that the only way to get AP resets is from buying them with NX(player to player), makes playing anything other than warrior/mage, unfun/damaging to long term play of this server. Solutions(ONE of the solutions): -Albert should sell AP resets for 10m each (helps clear server mesos/server economy and keeps Hp/Mp washing a Luxury) -AP resets changed to 1knx instead of 3.1knx -AP resets added to ALL Gach locations Pros of solutions: -Keeps economy fresh(clears a lot of money hoarding) -Makes people want to farm more mesos(meso/hp/mp goals) -Long term play = people wanting to buy royal points for characters they invest a lot of mesos into(a character that will last). -Doesn't waste time of players that are trying to hp wash(Which is every player that wants to boss, past zac) -Keeps old players/people that want to play this server for a long time, active(setup for when HT returns). -Cant vote abuse when sold from Albert(fixes the vote abuse problem without damaging gameplay) Cons of solutions: Nothing One moreeeee thing: For the people that say it isn't nostalgic to Hp/Mp wash. Nostalgia can only take people so far in this server. The average maplestory player in GMS was under 120. A lot of the stuff they are doing in Royals is not even Nostalgic.
If HP washing isn't required then admins should make it mandatory for all guides to say that, because as a new player I've been told that it is in just about any attacker guide there is.
Guides aren't maintained by staff (well, unless staff like myself has written one), and it's up to the player who wrote it to say things like that. If you think a guide is wrong, not being updated, or there isn't one written, you can write your own! A lot of them while mostly still good for new source, were written during old source and are no longer maintained.
The only really viable option is Albert selling them for mesos. And as in making it ONLY coming from there, OR being untradeable when it comes from Cash Shop (Like Gach tickets) This way, people won't use it as a matter of comparactive for setting up a price for NX. (And they do it like this nowadays)
I agree, I get that they were trying to punish vote abusers. It's funny, they rewarded them instead, by making AP resets level 50 they pretty much insured that the only people selling resets are vote abusers. And the prices of AP resets will keep climbing because nobody besides vote abusers will buy them and the market is so dry. Right now there isn't much to do because Ht has been broken for so long, AP resets being sold by Albert would at least help people reach a goal or make a new character instead of pointlessly waiting around. Really thinking about quitting, It seems like the people running this server are only capable of breaking things and ruining the economy.
C'mon now, surely their (the staff) intent is not to kill the game. MR has never been this popular and that's in spite of bugs and whatnot. One of many reason the bugs are taking long to fix is trust. I've heard some nasty stories from other private servers where they hire programers and they just steal the code and all. MR is probably one of the most custom MapleStory private server. Their code is of high value. Bear with them =] As for AP resets, I don't understand how they rewarded vote abusers? Do you know how painful it is to get to lv50 lol What will happen is players buying their own AP resets. I don't see a problem with that. Everyone is now responsible for their own HP washing. Sure, it'll now take longer but at least still somewhat possible. You'll just have to resist gaching lol
I never said it was their intention to break the game. But it would be nice to get a status update on the situation considering it is the endgame boss that has been broken for months. from 1 - 50 takes about 10 hours with a bishop, iv done it myself. 1 - 50 for a new player takes a long time. As for rewarding vote abusers, do you think players, new and old, that are level 50 will buy gach tickets or AP resets? Considering you get significantly more mesos from dark scrolls and a chance to get chaos/whites scrolls(which is even more)? Furthermore, who do you think buys all the AP resets? The Ap reset level requirement is 50 which is the same as the gach requirement. Considering it takes a player with a 120 bishop roughly 10 hours to make a level 50 mule, it isn't making it that hard for the people who were vote abusing before, to vote abuse under the new system. With the prices getting higher, the demand skyrocketing and considering majority of people who are selling the AP resets are vote abusers. It seems pretty clear why I said, the vote abusers were rewarded and the legit people who are buying the resets were punished by the change.
Idk about you but 10 hours is a shit ton of time lol. But yeah I get your point. Then again, It for sure will deter some vote abusers. I don't think the staff intended to eradicate vote abusing (as much as they would want that) but to at least slow it down significantly. Yeah, buyers are punished in the interim. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's not really the staff fault, vote abusing was indeed a big issue in 2015-2016 to the point where staff had to verify massive trades that had to do with AP resets. I still don't get your claim that vote abusers are rewarded. The new system doesn't force you to buy gach instead of ap or vice-versa. It simply makes people lv.49 and less not able to buy AP resets. Vote abusers are not lv50+ mostly lol, they're lower than 50 hence the new the requirement. And if I go by your "it isn't making it that hard for the people who were vote abusing before, to vote abuse under the new system" statement, then all of this is just a matter of time i.e. in probably x days, the low-level vote abusers will have reached the lv50 req. and all will be like before.
We should do what I have suggested before which is to make ap resets buyable in a limited quantity that resets every 24 hrs. That way you can still have AP sellers for people who want to buy more than their daily amount. It is extremely unfair to make someone depend on their own nx to save resets. Even if you got 3 a day that's 90 a month. That's 1800 health max per month, or around 3 months to comfortably wash your nl. That is insanely inconvenient. Yes you buy some on the side but under your logic everyone is saving for their own washing and people who are not(aka have already done it), just gacha because it's better money. Make two different versions of resets if you have to. An untradeable version that is linked to the daily npc amount, and a tradeable version people can buy from cs. Make the price 10mil. Based on history, this seems like a fair price. The price doesn't matter as long as it's not 20 mil like someone said, because that also seems pretty bad. It's either something like this or everyone needs to stop complaining because they changed a rule and the past two weeks(out of a server alive for years) have been harder to get resets. If it doesn't go back they can add a fix, simple as that.
Yeah that could work. Perhaps now wasn't the best time to implement that new lv.50 req. hahah Also, I wonder how much HT bug is handicapping the economy. Unrelated note: when the f did CS/WS increase from ~3xx to 4xx? And why ?
cs/ws droprate got meganerfed after new source. people used to use around 100 tix for a ws/cs on average now its more like 300
A few months of saved NX yes, but there was also an exploit a few months ago where people were generating mesos and buying all the WS and CS in the FM and artificially raised the prices. People now don't want to lose out on money for selling it at a lower price, so the price is kind of stuck (although it does seem to be going down VERY slowly).
