You don’t need to wash, it’s just the standard here. I’m by no means a major fan of that standard, I find it dumb and uncalled for to have HP/MP washing this high in an old school server, considering HP/MP washing wasn’t as regular during the old days as it is now. The idea of selling it through a NPC is not something I’d support, but having them as rare monster drops would be better. When HP/MP washing is as popular as it is there needs to be a way to balance it all out so the price doesn’t spiral out of control. Just my two cents lol
Update: AP resets are now 12-13m. I'll just say this again. The price has gone up 40% in the couple of weeks it's been since the change, and, at the very least, I'd like to know if GMs have an opinion as to whether something should or will (or shouldn't or won't) be done about this. Given current market trends, it seems as though AP Resets will continue to increase in price. In my opinion I think they'll stabilize @ 15mil each. Which, I'd like to point out, is 60% more expensive than the previous standard of 9m each. I will reiterate. 1. HP washing, as a whole, is an incredibly hostile mechanic that, I agree, should not exist; however, it does. 1a. There is absolutely no point in debating whether or not it should exist on this server because it already does, and, with that being said, something needs to be done in order for HP washing to remain an achievable goal. 2. HP washing, while not necessary, is a standard set in place by players who have been on this server for awhile. 3. As noted by other users, HP washing should be expensive as it is indeed a luxury. However, it is now fact, not speculation, that HP washing is 40% more expensive than it was for players who have already washed their characters. Not to mention, it's now almost necessary to spend additional funds on smegas as spamming in FM simply will not cut it anymore. The "40% more expensive" stat, I would like to mention, does not include time lost acquiring AP resets ie. spamming and smegaing. In my opinion, the only time consuming part of HP washing should be accumulating the exorbitant amount of funds necessary. @GMs. HP washing exists, and you risk alienating the entirety of your new player base, both in the present and future, if they are not able to achieve the same benchmarks as older players simply because they joined at an inopportune time.
A lot of items worth has gone up by 40% since old source, the reason why ap resets remained low was probably because there were a lot of vote abusers, when the vote abusers got cucked by lvl limit ap resets followed the trend that the rest of the market have been experiencing for months. Previously there have been big crackdowns on vote abusers and it had the same effect on the ap reset market for some time after, until eventually it recovered. I don't know if ap resets will go back to 10m now since like I said many items has been increasing in value since new source, which I'm guessing is because of there being too much mesos on the server.
In Norway, everything is way more expensive than anywhere else in the world. Even our neighboring country, Sweden, is cheap in comparison to our own prices - except electricity. In return, our average wages are higher than most countries. We earn more, but we also have to spend more. Example: I earn 10x what my friend in the Czech Republic with a similar job earns. A beer here also costs 10x what it costs in his country. That's how the economy can work. If the majority of the inhabitants earn more, daily expenditures often goes up with the salary. While that happens, some prices don't follow the same trend - such as real-estate in the real world, which has grown at an exponential rate with the average salary the last 30 year, at least. While a high level Royals player can sell leech at a higher price than before, he also spends more money on essentials such as AP resets, Chaos Scrolls & White Scrolls - which is often supplied by newer players to pay for leech. It's the circle of life So it's not necessarily harder for a new player because prices are higher. The money-flow can be the same even though the prices are higher.
I think the core issue is that people's rate of income has not increased in line with inflation. AP resets are now 40% more expensive, WS/CS are about 40% more expensive, but people in general are not making 40% more per hour compared to before—assuming similar levels of effort. This reality is especially true for newer players who don't have the same money-making platforms like multiple mages to farm with or high level characters to boss with. This effectively diminishes newer players' purchasing power and elicits concerns like what @auntjaemima has articulated above. I'd like to see an NPC that sells untradeable AP resets with a daily purchasing limit, something like 7 resets at 10 mil each. This gives newer players a more viable way to HP wash their characters, and provides a meso sink to the economy at a rate of 70 mil per character, per day—all while (mostly) preserving the secondary market for AP resets.
I was just thinking this. The problem with inflation is when money in is not sufficient to compensate (Min wage staying the same, milk going up). The issue is the server is accumulating too much money (at the same rate essentially as before, just MORE mages, more people, the rate never changed), and there's not enough leaving, that's why prices are going up. The issue is not everyone has a mage to farm and make money to accomodate. With enough mesos leaving the server, it should offset the increase in mage farming, and prices should stabilize. I do think AP and SP resets could be added to an NPC with little negative affect because, they're there. In the past the limiting factor was never money, it was finding people to buy from. With this instead, the supply is infinite so no waiting around, and if they're sold a little higher than street value, people who want to use their NX will still have a market. Ah sniped D:
Vote abusers were rewarded because the prices of AP resets climbed after the change. They were 9m before the change now they are 11m and climbing. Considering that people buy 200 AP resets average per character(some buy more) thats 2m(extra) x number of resets bought. Personally im washing a nl to 18.75k which means I have to buy about 700+amount of int put into my base. I currently need about 400 more resets which means I will have to spend 800m extra. And that money goes to vote abusers, because the average person who plays the game without vote abusing doesn't buy AP resets and sell them. The change just helped vote abusers. Like I said, it only takes a person about 10 hours to get to level 50(probably 12 if splitting). So let me ask you this: Who benefited from the AP reset level cap change?
I think that the amount of money you can get from gach has gone down since I took big break ages ago. It's interesting that a lot of scrolls are near worthless, and as a whole scroll prices are like they were in GMS in 2008. However, is it really that difficult to make money in the server? I have a bishop, but I don't often use it for farming, and I have never used it to sell leech (I am opposed to the buying and selling of leech, I think it ruins the point of the game). Instead, I just use my level 151 DrK to kill stuff in areas that have interesting scrolls and equips that NPC for a lot. Ulu-2 is really good for this, but then gobies aren't bad either. And don't forget selling zombie teeth, heartstoppers, drops from those masks and skeletons in perion, and I'm sure lots of good spots in leafre. It isn't really THAT difficult to make a billion mesos in this server. One gotcha is that you can't make lots of mesos if you just buy leech and hang on a rope all day. And unfortunately that is a day in the life of a lot of our lower level characters on the server. Point is, just earn it. Get over it, life isn't fair. Here in New Zealand, we have to deal with the fact that the previous generation were able to buy affordable houses. Now, New Zealand houses are among the most overpriced and over inflated in the world thanks to our stupid laws. As a couple in our 20's, my partner and I have realised that sitting here complaining about it all day is never going to achieve anything. We just have to work hard and do what we can to make the best of a bad situation.
Before the vote abusers could make hundreds of accounts and they had to spend maybe 1h on each to get to lvl15, then they just vote on that till it gets banned. Now they have to spend 10x that on each account... So if someone who had 200 accounts before got banned they would have to spend a lot more time to get back to where they were when they got banned. The resets are more expensive now because abusers are not being able to buy any resets with their lvl15 chars.. if it was easy the resets wouldn't have gone up in the first place or do you think the vote abusers conspired to raise prices once the limit was changed? The price went up because theres no vote abusers that is selling and the demand out did the supply when the vote abusers went poof.
I'm mean yeah sure, assuming they dont get caught, and they raise the level of a mule on each account to 50, then yeah, they make more money. Honestly sounds like a conspiracy theory though, it's not the staff are selling AP resets for real money. And... if they were, why would they vote abuse when they could just spawn them.
Nobody is saying its a conspiracy theory or that there is any motive behind the change other than stopping the vote abusers. I think were getting off topic. All im saying is that its hard to find AP resets in general after the change. I have already invested 4 months trying to come up with the mesos for my character and it seems unfair that out of nowhere now im stuck without resets, no warning, just punishment. Furthermore, the change didn't even come with a solution to what happens after there is no resets being sold. Just an opinion and a little frustration.
Unfair that the Admins cut out all the vote abusers? If there was warning, the abusers would have just dumped their AP resets (they were selling for either money, or mesos, then buying WS or CS and selling those for real money) and more illicit goods would have entered the market. I guess.. I just don't see how that's an issue. It would have been irresponsible to leave the abusers in place if they could take them out.
That's a fair point, never thought of it like that. Then again iv never vote abused so I wouldn't know.
I saw a bishop leeching 3-4 characters all begginers with 30-40 level, guess they're leeching them to keep vote abusing? Is this worth reporting or not a strong enough evidence? PS. It was at Kerning City jr.wraiths
There is absolutely no proof they were being leeched in order to vote abuse, that's pure guessing on your part. Unless you have concrete evidence that's why they're leeching the characters (ie: chat messages indicating such), there would be no reason to file a report.
To be honest, there must still be a lot of vote abuse going around. Even though the online players counter remains almost the same as it was before January's New Source update, the vote count on Gtop100 is still ~x4 of what it used to be and hasn't decreased much since the abusers "went poof".
I didnt say there wasnt vote abusers i just said they are unable to sell, do you also think that vote abusers conspired to raise prices of resets after the change was made? The change clearly makes it harder for vote abusers is what i was saying making new lvl50 every time you get banned is obviously harder than making lvl15.
A lot of that is because of the newer ping back voting, which forces you to actually vote on gtop instead of just clicking vote. I remember the gtop votes at least doubled instantly once that was added.
You should read the posts above before posting. What you read was purely out of context, what you said was exactly what iv been saying the whole time. The only person talking about a conspiracy is you. I was simply saying that there were repercussions to the AP reset change that hurt a lot of people who were already making characters that required washing. I also said, I know the increase in price wasn't intended by the people who made the change happen. We are not just mindlessly complaining. We are looking for a solution that helps both the community(stop vote abusing) and people that want to wash their characters. If you're going to chime in and quote people in this forum discussion at least have the curtsy to read their entire posts.
