Hi hi! Sassy here. Let me persuade you that Krexel, the Ulu City boss, has absolutely no appeal for bossing other than novelty. Something needs to be done. Keep in mind that Krexel has three bodies, just like zakum. All EXP rates are BBB (the 4x multiplier in Royals has not been added) Krexel HP: 10 + 250m + 250m = 500m. Krexel EXP: 0 + 1.344m + 2m = 3.344m. Krexel Drops (that have value): Brandish 30, Boom Step 30, Level 100 weapons (Sparta, Pinaka, Nescheres, Nisrocks, Craven, Blood Dagger), Leaf Okay, so drops are not bad. Brandish 30 is 200m, and any of those weapons could be worth quite a bit. BUT none of these drops are specific to Krexel, and Krexel has 500m HP. You are not going to be solo-ing this boss, so there will be splits. Note the HP:EXP ratio of 149.5 (lower is better). Let's compare to Bigfoot. Bigfoot HP: 32m Bigfoot EXP: 2.66m Bigfoot Drops: Leaf, BF Toe Hold on a minute. 32m HP for 2.66m EXP? That's an HP:EXP ratio of 12.03, more than 10 times better than the ratio of Krexel. Sure there are no drops, but BF toes make Dep Stars, and you won't be splitting. Let's compare to Zakum. Zakum HP: 33m + 33m + 22m + 22m + 27.5m + 30m + 25.3m + 25.3m + 66m + 88m + 110m = 482.1m Zakum EXP: 1.344m + 1.344m + 0.896m + 0.896m + 1.12m + 1.12m + 1.03m + 1.03m + 7m = 15.78m Zakum Drops: Zhelm, TT20, Gen20, all 100 equips, lots more books. Okay, so there's no dispute that Zakum is the most profitable boss out of the three. Disregarding the monetary value, the HP:EXP ratio for zak is 30.55. This is almost 5x better exp ratio than Krexel. You can probably see what I'm getting at. Krexel is a hugely inferior boss in terms of EXP and drops. I don't see any appeal to doing him right now other than boredom and novelty, which wears off quickly. My suggestions to the admin team: Let's bump the EXP rate. Let's add some actually relevant drops - maybe Krexel can drop some better mastery books (some HT exclusive books?). Maybe Krexel can drop an ETC item that can be exchanged for random prizes, like the white mystery box from the previous event, with a low chance for powerful/exclusive equips. Thanks for reading! tl;dr Krexel is extremely inferior to other bosses in HP and drops. He needs buffs to make him appealing to kill. Sources: http://bbb.hidden-street.net/search_finder/krexel http://bbb.hidden-street.net/search_finder/bigfoot http://bbb.hidden-street.net/search_finder/zakum
Oops, I mispelled the bosses name. Should be Krexel, not Drexel. Could an admin please change the title of this thread accordingly? Thanks!
I was reading through this and kept getting mildly distracted by 'drexel'. q_q Krexel is, more or less, two and a half(?) zakums; adding more books (not necessarily HT drops) or at least better exp might be a good thing. Krexel wasn't ever really worth doing in GMS until shoulders were released: he would drop a 160 shoulder that had attack/m.att on it along with +7 all stats (the drop rate for this, although, was super low). Not that I'm saying that should be added but it was a pretty useless boss to begin with up until it dropped that shoulder (IMO).
The drops we added to Krexel were those that we found online as what dropped during the preBB times of GMS. I see no reason to change the drops. As for the EXP, this will be discussed with staff.
The mastery book list I looked at lists blizzard 30 and meteor 30 as HT exclusive drops. Giving them to krexel might be an excellent way to make archmages more attractive without nerfing bishops. As well, not having snipe 30 (also ht exclusive) is absolutely game breaking for crossbowmen. Again, something to think about, even if these are all at very low rates.
Thank you. This is the reason why I suggested HT-exclusive books in the first place. Not all books, but some. FPs, ILs, and Snipers IMO are going to suffer from inferior gameplay until HT is killed. That point, from what I see, is far, far into the future, and even when it does happen, only big names are going to get those books. EG: It's very easy to be a Hero with easy access to BR30, telling people that ILs/FPs/Snipers dont deserve their level 30 primary skill. Then again, maybe the unpopularity of those classes is what the community wants, since this is meant to be a faithful representation of GMS v62. That's hardly fair for people who play those classes, though. Of course, we should not add any books to Krexel for jobs that are already viable in their current state, such as TT30.
No. These books are dropped at Horntail for a reason. In my opinion we can buff Krexel but we should not add Horntail drops to this, that's just ridiculous. We have the potential and gear to kill Horntail, we just need to be patient for it to be fixed completely. The exp buff on the other hand. I'm definitely in for that since Krexel's exp makes no sense. Perhaps the shoulder adding into this game would be a nice feature or the pet dex/str/int/luk scrolls since if only Krexel drops them they will still be rare and expensive.
That reason is that they used to drop from Horntail. That's certainly a good reason. But I think I gave reasons that are good enough to think about, or discuss adding them elsewhere. Reasons that, in my mind over ride their original reason for dropping there - that nexon said "Hey, lets make them horntail drops" when they added the items originally. This isn't about killing horntail or not killing horntail. This is about balancing classes without having to rewrite files and change content in a huge manner. Notice that I didn't suggest adding other HT exclusive drops - TT30, enrage 30, gene 30, etc. from classes that are really workable as they currently stand. Adding these books elsewhere isn't going to take away from HT - on top of those three books, for three of our most popular classes, there's a little thing called the horntail pendant that drops there, plus all the weapons. I suggested the meteor/blizzard because as it stands, grinding is not "even" between bishops and archmages. Bishops have everything the "offensive" mages are supposed to have, plus all of their supporting skills. This still doesn't even things out of course (holy symbol op) but it would help maintain the spirit of the classes. This isn't nearly as important a change as snipe is, it's just something I think is a nice idea. I suggested the snipe book and used the term game breaking because it is GAME BREAKING to not have snipe 30 as a marksman. in this version of the skills, the cooldown on lv 20 snipe is 90 seconds, and on 30 is 15 seconds. This is a SIX TIMES increase in the power of one of the classes two main attacking skills. That means the skill is currently working at about 17% efficiency. For comparison, that would be like a bishop with good enough equips to consistently 2 hit on skeles dealing between 7 and 10k damage per cast on genesis. It's THAT broken. If any suggestion is ridiculous, the suggestion that we should add in shoulders, which don't actually exist in this version of the game is certainly it.
The addition of ulu maps made AMs > Bishops in training...even without a HS mule. So no bueno on the blizz/meteor. Snipe would be a fair addition.
In comparison to Horntail, Krexel is way too easy for these books. I don't think we should make this game easier than it is. And I get your point to balancing it, but Maplestory was never balanced and never will be. Adding these books will only reduce the challange in this game. It also seems like you think Bishops are very overpowered (which they are) But the arch mage is the one benefiting from partying with a bishop, so if you look at it that way, it would make them way too overpowered. Why? Skills that make Arch Mages out damage Bishops since we got new maps that aren't weak to holy damage. Element Amplification: MP -200%; Magic attack +150% Spell Booster HP -30, MP -25; Casting speed +2 for 200 seconds This means that when you party With a Bishop, there is absolutely no chance for the Bishop to receive more exp than the Arch mage. If you don't have a bishop in party, you could get a HS mule, and take it in another map and come back to HS making it still better than Bishops if you decide to party with someone + the hs mule standing in another map. And the shoulder bit wasn't even my suggestion in the first place lol. I simply agreed it could work since this is a server that already allows us to have godly gear. Perhaps it's too overpowered. Perhaps the pet str/dex/int/luk would be a nice little feature to add. But never mastery books from Horntail. And the Bishop comparison you made is totally unfair. Marksman can boss, bishops can't. Did you know that the exp per minute is BETTER for e.g. Nightlords when it comes to bossing? The only thing is that Bishops can farm non stop while the dpsers need to wait for respawn. I'm just saying that it's an unfair comparison because marksmen can boss while mages can't (or at least not at a beneficial level) I'm against the Blizzard/Shower but I can agree with Snipe.
I suggest that we could add tt10 aca10 and other skills that zak drops to krexel so that Mac players have a easier way to get there 4th job skills keep the 20s books and books used to upgrade skills zak only but as of skill books to acquire the actual skill krex can drop em without changing to much and a upgrade on exp is good idea aswell
Actually, if Kruxel is similar in hp and difficulty to Zakum that might be a fair idea. Some people may not be able to do the pre quests for Zakum (such as the jq). Others are on weaker Internet connections or on macs. If this boss is similar to Zakum, that could be a good option. It doesn't drop untradeable helmets so people still need to go on zak runs for the actual helm, but this could be a fair alternative for the level 10 skill books.
The damage comparison has nothing to do with bossing, but if you would rather see me compare the damage to a class that can fight bosses, (heroes?) I've been on three zak runs so far with heroes between 15x and 18x that hit 30-60k per line on their brandish. These are characters that are strong enough to solo zak if need be. The function of snipe at the moment would be like that brandish hitting 4800 - 9600. Less than my 9x Ranger who's using a maple kandiva and has 80 base int. I wasn't actually aware of how good Ulu city was for archmages to grind - I'm happy to see that function of our new content. I'm not as adamant something needs to be done about meteor/blizz as I was about snipe - once again I thought it just might be a nice touch that could be considered. The untradeable books might be another option, provided that krexel doesn't have the same DC issues. He is after all another multi-form, multi-million HP boss with full screen attacks and summons. Has anyone attempted him on a mac to figure out if he has DC issues?
I completely agree that Krexel needs an upgrade, I ended up killing one before looking at drop list only to find that it was a complete waste of time, found a Sparta, 350nx and possibly 4% exp... Fail
I think that we should keep Krexel's drops GMS-like and just raise his exp. If you're not raising his exp, then consider lowering his HP?
How about we just have the HT books, particularly Zerk 30 added to it as well? It kinda kills my motivation to play knowing that it is much easier for Heroes to get their end game books than DrK's. And Heroes are stronger than DrK's too! Being exactly GMS like is good, but being worth playing is even more important.