Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from. I just cant agree that the game is designed to restrict a classes access to majority of the content within the game. Imo it would make the game incredibly boring to have to play a specific class to access content(or to even participate in it). You're talking about mobbing which is different from bossing(and is not relevant to this forum topic because it doesn't require hp washing). Pulling mobs or a boss is not required of a warrior, in fact any class that can attack or hit the mob/boss can pull. "Tanking" would be aggroing a boss or mob to take all damage, thus negating damage to the other classes, which is not a mechanic of this game. In bossing there is basically 3 different "roles", HS(exp), buffs(se, si, etc..) and attackers. HP washing does not diminish the demand for warriors. Heros are among the best attackers in the game with the right buffs, and they are easy to play(basically afk). Furthermore, 30k hp is not required to access all content of the game, the hardest hitting monster that iv seen is anego which hits about 17ish thousand. Its important to note that you can also pin anego with a nl/bm which negates all damage anyway. 30k is for perfectionists(not necessary at all) and with 18.75k hp you can hit 30k with HB which is what most rich people aim for(18.75k isn't necessary either). On a side note, and im not trying to be condescending, but it's kinda funny when people talk about nostalgia of this game and how hp washing isn't nostalgic, considering that most people were under 120 bbb. Most things in this game isn't even nostalgic because people didn't even level high enough to access the content. Not much besides the core game is nostalgic, and the parts that arn't nostalgic are the main reasons why people are still playing this game(scrolling with dark scrolls, gach, min/maxing gear, bossing, etc). Real nostalgia is waiting 10 minutes on a boat, fun.
Well the restriction is just one or two bosses thou, it doesn’t bother me but I get your point there. As for everything else, they can be achieved through HB. I have got a NL back then, well Zak isn’t a problem at all, but bosses such as Papulatus2 does dmg beyond what I can handlewhen I was low level, and I always bring a DrK along just to be safe. I never got to horntail, but some of my guild mates went, w/o hp washing, and although it’s hard, it’s doable, so really, not washing isn’t restricting anything besides one or two bosses. And as for mobbing, well, having a warrior just make things easier, at least this is how things were back then. But now a warrior doesn’t really make any diff here. If you trained in a NL or Archer w/o washing then u’ll know. I’ve also seen players here without hp washing that’s doing everything just fine. *** But long story short, my point is just that, without hp washing, maybe a ranged Attker can’t handle the frog boss u mentioned, but everything else is accessible, but slower and harder, and heavily reliant on others. HP washing is just a method to make things easier. So if people still want to wash despite the inflating price of resets, then they should not complain and just deal with it. If they are willing to pay a higher price at a point where sellers are willing to sell, then equilibrium is achieved, and they can get the resets that they want. Thus I do not see the reason of needing AP resets to be sold in an NPC, which could adversely effect the economy by reducing the mesos in circulation and decreasing the purchasing power of new players. If setting a new requirement of lv50 to purchase AP resets causes AP prices to go up, then this is the true price that it should have been if the abusers didn’t exist in the first place. And as someone said in his/her post, if the NPC are selling the resets cheap, people would opt to purchase the resets from NPC, and new players would resort to gacha, which the process of selling scrolls alone can be overwhelming for them. Also, thanks for clarifying some things that I do not know before this conv, and some useful information.
Agreed. Archers and assassin's always had low survivability as one of their biggest weaknesses. With enough money they can maintain their amazing ranged damage while having just as good survivability as warriors and mages. There are plenty of low hitting, high hp bosses where ranged classes dominate in, but now they can do the same against high hitting bosses. That's how diversity is made with classes, you give them their own speciality and make them good at it and keep their weaknesses actual weaknesses. Showa bosses exploit melee classes hard. There's almost no room for error against bodyguard A, 300+ accuracy needed for big boss and theyre single targets with high hp. The logical decision if you want to beat them is to make a new a character like assassin's or archers. It's one of the end game privileges for ranged classes. No amount of money will let warriors keep their damage and make their time against showa bosses relaxed. Bosses like castello toad used to exploit ranged classes, but not so much anymore.
The OP's point and most of the people who are for the npc to sell AP resets isn't to make them a cheap price. Most of us feel it should be a luxury to HP wash. The main concern isn't the price, it was the availability of the resets. We felt that players are not buying them as much, and as you know the only way to obtain them is if real players buy them. Buying all the AP resets by yourself isn't an option because most people will need anywhere from 300-700 resets(which would take a ridiculous amount of time, unless you're vote abusing). If we could stop vote abusers completely and make resets fully available all the time, its a win win(If Albert sells them). So once again not price, availability. No worries man, you made some really good points too. Its just a discussion and we both want the same thing, to improve this server.
It definitely sucks that I can't "STR wash" to make my damage more comparable to the dps classes. HP washing is kinda unbalanced.
If the main concern isn't the price but the availability, then i can't understand why wouldn't people pay more to get sellers to sell them. A SS of smegas over 10 minutes, look how this someone is selling them at 13m while someone only wants to buy at 11m, and this is just a 10minutes view. There were plenty of smegas previously from various people wanting to buy and sell, some made their deal some didnt, and continued to smega for hours. Just earlier yesterday, one buyer was willing to buy at 12m, and he bought 100 i believe, because people were willing to sell at 12m instead of 11m. So if you really wanted the resets that bad, up your prices, you'll get your seller, stop hoping that the price will still hover around 11m. As i said, i myself also sells AP resets, i accumulated a lot over the past 1 year. I sold them at 11m last week, when i first came back to the server. Now as i see that people are willing to buy at 12m and people selling at 13m, i am no longer willing to sell them off at 11m but 13m each, as i am not in desperate need of mesos. So, the issue isn't availability, but the price most people are willing to sell and pay for. As AP resets is not mandatory to the game, it is a luxury not necessity, and is still available from cash shop, so i dont see why they should put up an NPC selling AP resets just because the current supply and demand couldn't reach an equilibrium, anyway, things will go back to normal eventually once HT is out. If so, the priority should be given to selling mastery books from HT as these books are crucial to the game to the gameplay as they are necessity. But, as someone else said, effort should be put into bringing HT back instead of coding NPCs to sell stuffs.
I'd like to point out that this doesn't happen all the time. While it may appear that multiple people are selling APR during that short period of time, I've also experienced a day without anyone selling it at all. Sometimes they are there, sometimes they are not. And it's mildly frustrating when they aren't there, especially to those impatient types. It would be nice if they give players the alternative to buy APR with mesos from an NPC. Just make it expensive, say 20m or 25m each. People would be reluctant to buy them with meso, as it is almost double the normal mesos to NX rate. You could even put a purchase limit like 10 per account on it, and set it only purchasable for level 100 and above players to prevent oversupply. Better yet, make them cannot be traded.
Absolutely disagree with the topic's idea. Let's look here: Do we struggle with ANYTHING on this server? 1) Absolute End game equipment available through gachapon? Check. <--- Literally there are no better items than those we can get from gacha which destroys the whole purpose of grinding in this game. Disgusting. Everybody can get anything as long as you click "Vote" every 24h and pray to rng gods for good luck which will inevitably come one day. 2) Literally every single scroll available through gachapon? Check. <--- Who needs to kill/time bosses/do quests when u can vote and sit back. 3) No exp loss which means pure progress without having to worry about dying or any planning/gameplay tactics in general? Check. <--- This is the worst part. Holy cow, I can't describe in words how much this pisses me off. People don't give a single F anymore. 4) No boat delay so you can get to any place within 2 minutes? Check. 5) Level 50 player can be as succesful IF not more than level 200 player since everything circles around getting so called "godly" items from Gachapon. People grind/leech/boss for countless hours while "Typical Johnny or Mark or Jason" clicks a piece of junk machine and gets the item worth more than all your hours invested into the game. At this point Royals feels like kindergarden sleeping competition. Getting ap resets is the only thing that makes me struggle on this bloody server (need around 400more) and I LOVE IT. For God's sake, let players work for their success. If they wanna be able to have 30k HP attackers, let them struggle to achieve it. Everything comes so easy it's actually sad. Before you reply, know that YES, i am an annoyed Royals user. Would like to change many things but sadly I'm in no position to do so. Only thing I can do is to try convince more people that we need changes. Sorry for grammar mistakes as it's not my native language.
But isn't voting for AP Resets just as easily accessible as obtaining scrolls and weapons through Gachapon, if not even more so because of the fact that it's guaranteed? At the end of the day, whether it's HP washing or scrolling godly weapons, all of them require an immense amount of work and "struggle" to succeed. Sure all of these are accessible to any player, but the players that actually have high-level accounts with tons of HP and tons of godly equipment did not get there by mindlessly voting once a day. It requires an intense amount of grinding, bossing, and whatever other crap this game requires on top of that to reach the peak levels of end-game play (or RWT, but that's another story lel). As someone who has mindlessly voted every day for the past year and a half without doing any actual training or grinding, can confirm. Also I believe EXP loss and boat rides are in progress to be re-implemented in the new source.
In the end people now are complaining that AP resets are hard to buy, cause no people buy and sell them. They are willing to ask for an NPC that sells it at 20m each, but unwilling to pay other players 12~13m for one? That's a joke. And for those who wanted them to be cheaper, they technically just want Big Bang and Chaos to be brought into this server, where all jobss can obtain high HP easily, which totally destroys the game. For the pass few days i saw so many people smegaing to buy AP resets at 10m, and people smegaing to sell at 12m. SO the point isnt availability, but people just want things in the easy way. Also, I believe that HP washing is a premium thing to do, therefore it should be hard and expensive. If even HP washing becomes easy and cheap to do, what difference this server will have with post- BB/Chaos servers if everybody can achieve high HP easily?
I was saying earlier that price wasn't a problem but people are blowing that out of proportion. Of course if 1 ap reset was 20, 50 or 100m, it would matter. People are starting to get ridiculously petty with their arguments. The point I was trying to make is this forum post was created with the intention of making ap resets available and better accessible. So when players finally had the mesos that is required to buy the resets, they could do so without wasting hours, days or weeks trying to buy them. It was also a means of stopping vote abusers completely. If you dispute this fact, you are not reading previous posts in this forum discussion, repeating what others have said and ultimately wasting everybody's time. I have had to repeat myself about 5 times already on this thread, mainly because people are not willing to read up two posts. Just read the previous posts before you post the same things over and over. You may have seen people selling ap resets for 12m here and there, but it isn't more than a few from each person(if you can find anybody). And of course there are some people that care more about the price(this is not the main cause of concern). As somebody that buys a lot of ap resets(and have friends that buy resets) I can honestly tell you that it is dry out there, and I know im not alone because as the time goes on I see the same people trying to buy resets(for market price and above) and they are smegaing for DAYS. Furthermore, on the topic of the price of ap resets, whether its 9-13m, is not cheap to wash considering you are buying hundreds of them. If you're spending a few billion mesos(which is usually a low amount of resets), that does make Hp/Mp washing a luxury. Nobody in this forum discussion that is taken seriously has ever said that hp washing should be free or easy. We just don't want it to be so frustrating to get ap resets when we finally get the money to pay for them. Personally, I have been playing about 3 months with the intention to wash and I have only begun washing now. It seems like people love to exaggerate about how easy it is to get the mesos to wash(unless you are only using 50-200 total, in which case the current situation of ap resets does not concern or affect you).
Mind you i read every post under this thread before i made my first post here. And mind you probably the same person that smega-ed for days is only willing to pay 10m-11m for each resets. Just yesterday a lone i've seen 4 people that bought at 12m, and they got what they want instantly, so yah, there are a lot of resets out there. I myself is keeping over 200 that i do not intend to use. If you can just buy all the resets you wanted just because you have the sufficient funds, then it is already considered very easy as funding is not hard nowadays. You yourself starting to wash after 3 months of playing is already a whole lot faster than how long before people can start washing just a year before ( if you look into 2 years back, it's a lot lot harder), simply because of the facts that mesos are so easy to earn now and the fact that there are more int eqs in circulation which makes them a whole lot cheaper. So taken now that mesos is easier to obtain, i think the so called 'scarcity' of ap resets makes up to it. Well as i said if you are willing to buy at 13m, sure a lot of ap resets seller would come to you. So far i have not seen any buyer that is willing to go up to that point, therefore no seller is willing to sell of course, that's what makes AP so 'scarce'. As i said, it's the matter of demand or supply, nobody selling because the price's too low for sellers to sell. I've played royals for over 2 years and it's never been an easier time to HP wash.
1) Completely random chance and not reliable. A perfect sparta from Skeles is still decent once scrolled. Perfect godly scrolled ST aren't exactly... floating around. This applies to all classes and weapons. 2) Again, random chance and many scrolls are FAR more reliably farmed than gached 3) Only currently. EXP loss at death will be implemented in the future, it's just low priority (HT, Guilds, etc, are coming first) 4) Again, that's not going to be the case once it's implemented, just a matter of time. You'll be able to skip boat rides for a cost (NX I believe for a pass). Just to clear some things up
I said market price, he was paying 12.5m but he raised it to 13m each and is still having a hard time finding sellers. The reading posts statement wasn't directed to you just a general statement for people that have been quoting my posts and making me repeat myself. I said I started, im not even at a quarter of what I need to finish washing. If I was having a reasonable time buying resets I wouldn't even be defending this topic. Like I have been saying, Im not looking for it to be easy to wash, I personally like being rewarded for hard work. It just shouldn't be difficult in the way that it is. Imo, if it really is that bad for Albert to sell ap resets for a reasonable price 10-15m(which isn't cheap) then nothing(smegas and owls) shouldn't be sold by Albert either.
Well still no seller by 13m? then AP resets should be valued at more than that. Its basically the principle of supply and demand, please read it up. I can't be any clearer, its because the current price at which AP resets are being traded is much lower than what it should be. As i said, you're already spending so less time on getting the required fund and wanting to pay below market value, then i think it is justified to spend more time on searching for ap resets. Overall, you are still spending less time and effort than what players 1 year ago would spend to hp wash, so why are you complaining. If players back then could do it, why can't you spend more effort than you currently do to do it? Albert is selling smegas and owls because they are not premium items and players do not benefit much if at all from them, it doesnt matter if there are a lot more or less smegas or owls (maybe a little for owls) on the market, so it is okay for them to be easily purchased. But, it does matters if there are suddenly infinite amounts of AP resets on the market, and they are also premium products and they benefit players, so players should, and always have, work hard for them. People aren't even complaining about lack of lv30Mastery Books from HT, and you are here saying AP resets are not obtainable when you are not willing to pay higher than current market value to lure people into selling it. If the market value of AP resets are high enough, people would resort to sell AP resets more and Gacha less, this is how economy works, and by then you can then buy AP resets more easily. Even if people are willing to pay 2~3bil for a HT book, they are still not obtainable, but AP resets is obtainable if the buyer is willing pay more at market value or above market value. So if you want to spend less time, then just pay more. Asking for AP resets to be sold at NPC just because they are 'hard' to obtain is just as blunt as asking for Mastery Books that have low drop rate to be sold in NPC, which is what the current GMS is doing, for almost everything to be sold in NPC.
You keep repeating yourself that it is easier now than it was a year ago, that literally makes no contribution to this discussion. There are more players now than before. Ht was up over a year ago. What happened before with people washing has no contribution to the discussion and dilemma that is going on RIGHT NOW. Supply and demand based off a system that requires a person to vote every 24 hours promotes the wrong type of sellers, read up. Ap resets shouldn't be hard to get in the way that it is, period. They should be expensive and grindy like any important item in the game, but ap resets should not be limited to vote nx. It promotes vote abusers and destroys the economy. There is too many mesos with nowhere to dump them. Anyone with a basic understanding of economics should understand that. Thats the reason why prices continue to rise and mesos are becoming less valuable over time(prices become higher). With an item that costs a lot of mesos from a npc it would help reset the economy by taking mesos from players that are stockpiling them. Like I said, basic economics, read up. It seems like people are against the change without any logical reason why. I don't see any bad thing that comes from having a npc sell ap resets. The change would help the economy, it keeps players aiming for a goal which promotes players to keep populating the server and negate vote abusers almost completely. The way that it is now is just annoying and it seems like a waste of time for no reason. People don't complain about HT mastery books because it wont speed up the processes of fixing HT. If you have been playing for as long as you have been saying you should already know that. Its already been broken for about 10 months. If you think people don't care about lvl 30 mastery books from HT then you haven't talked to enough players or you're blind to whats going on around you. Once again you're getting off topic. It isnt even close to the same thing. That would imply that Ap resets have a drop rate and are obtainable without a means of vote abuse.
Well, the logical reason is that they are still tons of AP resets flowing on the market? I've been online for 8 hours yesterday, and i see so many trades of AP resets, i dont know if you just online to afk or what. AP resets are not hard to get now, period. As i'm writing this, some one just bought 100ap resets for 12m ea. Please try harder to buy them before you complain. Stop complaining if you havent offered 12 to 13m. #Players back then washed in a harder way does contribute to this topic i believe, because since you are doing it easier now, why are you asking it to be easier? And please do some readings yourself too, when ap resets are available from NPC, new players wouldn't be able to sell them off for a profit anymore, and gacha-ing is simply too overwhelming for most of the new players. If they dont get a good start, how do you expect them to stay and populate the server. The level 50 requirements is already a good but insufficient way to ward of vote abusers, but its doing a larger negative impact towards new players. Please, get to know things around you too, even if they are not at the same level as you. Yeah people do not complain for HT mastery books, that i know, people deal with it, or pay billions more for whats left. So, you wanna HP wash? Pay billions more too. If there are no seller only then this is a good idea. Prices are high due to over supply of mesos, that everybody knows. But people also know that prices are high due to lack of HT, want to know the relationship between this two? Do some readings yourself . The only valid reason for resets to be sold from NPC is to sink mesos, that i agree, but Albert is already doing a good job i suppose. And there are more ways to do this that doesn't have negative impact on new players. So please, don't ask for things just because you think its' hard. Please work harder. And please, I don't think there are anybody that doesn't know that HT is currently n/a and its been already 10mnths. Im only implying that they are hard to get. You would have quit if you tried to wash 1 year ago.
New players don't have a reason to sell them anymore, they just gach. You need to fully read, for the thousandth time, im not saying it should be easier to get resets, it shouldn't be sold for vote nx which could only be obtained every 24 hours, it promotes people to vote abuse which is a flawed system. If you have been easily buying ap resets for 12m from other players, whats your problem with buying them from the npc which would be an effective meso dump? Majority of people probably don't even spend 50m a week at Albert, it is clearly not an effective meso dump considering I have a lot of friends that have well over 4b on a large amount of accounts. Having resets from an npc would prompt people to make new characters and spend a large amount of their mesos without giving it to other players which would help the economy(bring value back to mesos). This topic isn't about complaining, its about debating what would be a good change for the server as a whole. You said you seen trades and there is a lot of people holding ap resets with the intention to sell, without any proof. I see a lot of people B>resets for market price and they keep smegaing because they aren't actually finding anything. I have talked to tons of people who are telling me the same thing, which is what I am reiterating in my forum posts. Its even worse for people who cant play for 8 hours a day, or people playing on odd hours due to their timezone. If it was just my opinion I wouldn't even bother posting in this forum topic. The only reason I really care is because I only see it getting worse. Your arguments are incredibly petty and most of the time off topic, which is why there is no reason to explain the validity of this forum topic to you any further. I guess people will have their opinions without fully grasping the weight of both sides.
Your assumption of new players only gachaing is without proof as well. Have u actually talked to any of them? I had. Some of them do gacha, but not much can profit from them, put aside a lucky few. In your previous post you talked about how hard it is to buy them, now you're saying the main purpose is not to make it easier to get them but to prevent vote abuse, so what's your point? Whether or not you intend it to make it easier for you to HP wash, having AP resets being sold at NPC will make it EASIER and MORE ACCESSIBLE, as anybody can easily wash now, also given that funds are so easily acquired now. You still don't get the point. When everybody can wash, this might as well just be post-big bang server. But as i said again HP washing is not a necessity, so player can still continue on without HP washing. So if they want to wash, they have to work for it. And btw i dont care if i need buy AP resets from Albert or from other players, don't make assumptions. However, I have to agree with you on it being use as meso sink. But, the value of mesos doesn't play a role in MapleStory as it works as a single market. Things get expensive but you get funding easier too at the same time. They just make pots cheaper as a whole. Yes, i understand everybody want what's best for the server, but have you think on the consequence if suddenly everybody have min 10k hp on any job? Ultimately, let Matt decide. And please read the above quote as to why value of mesos in Royals is irrelevant, and why ap resets should be valued at atleast 13m (assuming AP reset original price -during old source- is 9~10m, and inflation is 40~50% as how other items have inflated), so players should be willing to offer 13m atleast for AP resets, if they want to HP wash. If they pay only 11m each, surely nobody would want to sell. So technically there's no reason to say that AP resets is hard to obtain. The only arguement is using Albert as meso sink and thats' all.
