Removal of FM Button - 8 months later

To clearify on behalf of some ppl, it's 9 months and 26 days lmao (oops 9M+25D servertime)

 

I don’t know what is there to clarify. I said it is the 10th month, not that it is been 10 months

 

Exactly the same dialogue with some ppl (ez, not u) half a year ago on shoutbox

 

I wouldn’t call benefitial something that benefits a minority at the expense of the vast majority of players.

That’s just a technicality but, to clarify, today’s date (server time) is October 26th. So it’s been 9 months and 25 days. Jk I’m dumb

 

80% required to consider. Its just consider. He didn't say he will agree and change just because 80% of the population agreed to it.

Honestly, I dont think the button is a big deal. Use a nearest town scroll and you'll reach FM (in most towns at least). But obv walking back is a bit of a prob, if u wanna save time use those tele rocks

 

They aren't even implemented after nearly 10 months of the button being removed. Please enlighten me on how we are supposed to use them.

 

Ooops my bad... didnt know that cos I usually just walk... Seems like alot of things are still out of order after so damn long...

 

It's still a benefit. Sure, most people here would prefer the FM button over it, but it alone isn't a bad thing.

 

I get it. However, my question was directed at @Matt and I was talking about the server as a whole. How many people would call themselves “hene hoes”? Like I said, that’s a minority and it would only benefit them, not the server.

 

As a point to play devils advocate, one could just as easily say the button benefits certain people more than others (those with mules, and more directly people who want the button back), and wouldn't benefit the server, as a whole, if it was brought back (as things like towns aren't dead anymore. May not be a benefit to you, but it is to others.)

You have a poll with less than 350 votes, even accounting for dual (and some triple) client players, isn't even half of the daily players according to the counter. His claims that people (hene-hoes) like the button gone and that it is good for the server is qualitatively just as valid as yours is.

fwiw, people who are hene-hoes called themselves that. It was also huge on GMS.

 

Lol thanks for ignoring every post explaining how 250 votes is representative of a population of millions.

Anyways, the button favors 80% of the server as a whole, not just me or people with mules. You might have to re-read this whole thread again because several people have explained how the FM button made their gameplay better.

You’re just proving the point I made on another thread when I said most GMs just contradict players or ignore them when proven wrong (2 of which you’re guilty)

If you just wanna “play the devil’s advocate” and contradict while ignoring every single point made in the 5 pages of the thread then I’m sorry to say but you got the wrong job lol.

Have a good day sir.

 

I said qualitative, not quantitative. I also know the math, I just disagree with it's use here, not that anyone would want to hear that reasoning.

What I don't like, is how anyone who posts who even remotely agrees that the button being gone is good, is ganged up on, hense my post.

 

In my opinion henesys and kerning was much more populated in the old source vs new source.

Like what Stan stated earlier, most ppl just parked their characters at elnath or cbd to afk instead. Overall with the Fm button, it made the server feel less dead.

Halloween this year also feels kind of dead because there isn't a boss/event that brought all the players together like Pierre. Quite similar to the Fm button in a way.

 

Seems more excuses are next.

 

I'd like to think that both of my posts were incredibly polite, and reiterate that my only intention was a request for meaningful discussion on the topic. I'm not responsible for what others posted that may have resulted in your feeling the way that you do, but I'd be very sad to know that those of us who are speaking calmly cannot continue because of distaste for what agitated people are saying. It's important to note that it tends to take a fair deal of provocation to cause someone to begin to post negatively - while it's hard to view it as constructive, I will absolutely use that as support to my claim of this being an actual, real issue that our server faces. Whether you disagree with the math proposed isn't exactly relevant - the numbers were only a pedantic attempt to have it known that 255 people (as of writing this post) is a large sum, large enough to show that there is undeniably a problem here.

I will once again request for an actual staff viewpoint on the state of this issue as the last one is very, very outdated in comparison to the discussion that has gone on in this thread.

 

Have you been to Henesys recently? Holy hell there's a resounding difference to the population of it from Old Source to New Source. Almost nobody hung around Henesys in the old source. There'd be a few people at the shack on the way left, often AFK, and that was about it. Kerning City was decently populated, but mostly consisting of those simply wanting to KPQ. Kerning has definitely seemed a bit more populated since New Source, but it's Henesys that I can not see in any way being less populated. It wasn't even until the New Sauce that I ever saw anyone hang out in Henesys Market, it was only ever people walking by.

 

It's so sad to see that no rationale or counterarguments are here to justify the now 292 players who have spoken against your action apart from "this is what my vision is."

I think that after a while, administration has become blind to the fact that this is still a game, and that not everything in it should be tedious. There should be fun aspects of the game, or for every inconvenience, there should be something the player is rewarded for in exchange (which is usually how games work). But in the case of the 10 months of hell we've gone through with a game of dubious functionality, from the lack of end-game content to the lack of basic gameplay functions for months on end (character creation and skills took months) there is nothing, and from all the statements put forward and all the asking we've done and propositions we've made, it simply seems impossible to have any sort of lenience or compromise between administration and the players who love this game. Not to mention how many people have already given up hope and left this server as well.

This is not okay.

 

I believe this is unequivocally wrong and you, previously in this thread, put forth a perfectly viable compromise. Not to mention the dozens of other posts with constructive feedback that has been ignored.

It was actually for two particular threads for two separate issues. Both times everyone involved knew what you asked for was virtually impossible, including you, and that was the point. But now that the virtually impossible has been proven possible, you continue to give excuses for ignoring community input. Without this community there would be no server, and one of the best parts of this community was being able to warp to the FM and meet new people.

Honestly, without the FM warp button I probably wouldn't have stuck around for more than a few months. I've stuck around for 4 longs years for the community. The community that I met in the FM.