The only reason I want to be one is that the black electric guitar nx from the cash shop covers polearm only and it looks sick, especially with a 1H polearm like surfboards / snowboards. After searching around it seems like everyone's against it since pure polearm will deal a lot less damage than a pure spear or hybrid dk. I'm wondering if a pure polearm dk have a few advantages in bosses with multiparts or spawn a lot of minions or require a higher amount of damage to knockback since dragon fury will be used more when compared to a spear / hybrid dk that usually don't have time or frames to change weapon repeatedly? And if I do go pure polearm dk, does dragon crusher deal more damage than dragon fury? Thank you.
This is an interesting topic. I think your best option would be a perfect Purple Surfboard, for it's attack speed. I'm not sure about the math, but with godly equips you may be able to contest spear/hybrid DrKs in situations without Speed Infusion. At the end of the day though, in 99% of situations, spear/hybrid DrKs will come ahead in damage.
But by how much? Everyone's saying that without giving any math except occasionally extra 30% when stabbing / slashing or 5 / 3 multiplier. It's perhaps a given but no one bothered to find out the exact numbers / % in difference. Can anyone make a comparison of Spear (Crusher) vs PA (Crusher) vs PA (Fury) considering Sky Ski and Purple Surfboard as the weapons?
No exact figures but i did a short test using 127 ski n psb. PA fury is so much more damage than Spear Fury (beyond 30%). Not able to compare crusher (PA vs spear) since I didn't not bother maxing PA crusher.. At end game, although u may think u will grind at ob4. But seriously I would rather grind with spear crusher (2h) than PA fury(many more hits). You may say that fury is better since it hits 6 mobs, yes that is if you have 6 mobs sitting together. For bossing, spear crusher is the way to go since it deals more damage (although only 3 mobs)
So the thing with a pure Pole Arm DK is basically only one thing: They max Pole Arm Crusher. Other than this, there's no difference between a Hybrid DK (A hybrid DK also maxes Pole Arm Fury, Pole Arm Booster, Pole Arm Mastery etc.) I see your point: IF I could have comparable DPS (to spear) while attacking bosses with Crusher, this would be very cool because I could easily switch to fury when mobs spawn, or at Zakum's Arms etc. However, I did some calculations, and what I found is that it's not possible to match perfect Sky Ski Crusher. In fact, as long as your total Weapon Attack is above 70% of the one you have the with Purple Surfboard, the Spear will be better. It's true that you would deal more damage on the mobs, but Spear Fury is almost good enough for this. As a hybrid DK, you can still max BOTH Spear and Pole Arm Fury. That's what I've done. Yes, crusher still deals more damage (510% per monster) which will make it a better option when on 1-3 mobs. On 5+ mobs, the Fury DPS will be higher. On a personal note, I'd like to add that my very first character (in GMS) was a Spearman, and I went with Pole Arm because I found a good one. Little did I know, that this would lead on a path where I got outdamaged by other Dark Knights, simply because I picked the wrong weapon... But come on, Pole Arm IS and will always be the best weapon for basically all of 2nd and 3rd job!
Alright, but, when you say you're outdamaged by other Dark Knights, how big was the difference? Doing half of their damage? Or even lesser?
No, more than half the damage I think. Usually you would have more attack on a Pole Arm due to cheaper scrolls. And in Royals, we have the Purple Surfboard. I was notably weaker, but not as much as half as strong.
Are you trying to say that if both have the same gear, while giving the PA DK the higher edge on WA due to cheaper weapon, higher base wa for weapon and cheaper scroll, and considering that slight advantage of 1 attack speed difference without considering speed infusion, PA DK will only be around 30% weaker? I meant if it's only 30% weaker then I can go with it. Anything that goes like 40~50% or more would not be nice.
Yes, I could do some more calculations for you, but something like that. EDIT: I actually did some calculations right now, and my DPS with PSB Crusher would actually be exactly 70% of my DPS with Sky Ski Crusher. Now, my PSB is quite good and the Sky Ski rather sloppy, actually.
Do you mind to share the stats of the weapons so I can have a rough figure? And can you share the calculation? The best I can find is how to find your damage range and maybe the speed delay but I've no idea on how to do with skills percentage coupled with damage range and speed difference.
There was some DPS chart but I can't find it anymore (I only see this picture here) https://royals.ms/forum/attachments/dps-png.6959/ It doesn't seem to be updated and the equips are pretty weak too but it seems pole arm has around 75% of the damage of spear? (not sure if it even includes purple surfboard)
Well I use an Excel sheet for this. It wasn't possible to upload as a reply, but here is a link: olkensway.se/downloads/dark_knight_skill_comparison.xlsx
Thank you for sharing. However, I found out a weird number. Why is the MAX of Fury spear lower than MIN of Fury spear, but the MAX of Crusher PA is higher than MIN of Crusher PA?
Oh, that's a mistake from my side. Try download from the link again, I corrected it. It's good that you are aware of those details
Thank you for the excel file. It seems like the difference is around ~22% or so if I'm to use a +4 vs +5 30%-ed 99wa sky ski and 104wa purple surfboard, and spiked up to ~30% if both weapons are perfected with perfected clean stat. It's interesting to see that polearm's crusher and fury's difference aren't as huge as spear's counterparts when it comes to 1v1 as well (if I did it correctly by changing the no. of mob from 3/6 to just 1).
A few more questions before I hit the nail. It looks like a pure PA DK can be a great multiparts hitter / probably the best CC-er for bosses that spawn lots of minions to clear ways for pure 1v1 attackers (if AM is not brought in and Bishop is busy supporting the party) while having around 20%~30% disadvantages when it comes to 1v1 for now, which is to say PA DK will be leaning towards to supporter side more than attacker side. 1) How many zakum arms can fury / crusher hit at their max potential? I've read somewhere that fury can hit one of the top arms and listed that as advantage but unsure if that means it can hit one extra arms or just have the range long / high enough to hit it. 2) Same as 1), but for horntail. 3) Is it easy for many classes to clear waves of minions summoned by Zakum / HT / PB (if this boss is ever released)?
1) You can probably hit 3 at a time (sometimes 2 and sometime maybe even 4 because they move up and down) You can also reach the top right arm which is usually reserved for ranged attackers. But Power Stance is highly recommended for this. 2) Someone else has to answer this one, I don't know. 3) No, it's not so easy. Warriors are best at this, and probably mages too. A very strong Dark Knight can 1 hit KO most of these with Spear Fury, but Pole Arm Fury would 1 hit KO at a much earlier level.
Thanks for sharing. So there are no situations where Polearm Crusher can beat Spear Crusher, even with PSB's faster attack speed? What about in situations with high attack potions(Heartstopper, Apple, Gelt Chocolate)?
I have a hybrid drk with max spear crusher, polearm fury, and polearm crusher. However, I don't have PSB anymore, but if you guys want to test something out I can help.
@Zerato Sorry for bringing this up again, but what if SE is factored in? I heard SE is especially helpful for multihits skills so this brought my curiosity.
