Zakum

Potions quite literally almost cost nothing in a 30 min zak run. I personally don't run Zak for exp, when I even care to run that boss anymore. HS is just a bonus tbh. So if they want a split, they can work for it by spamming dispell the ENTIRE time its needed during the run.

Only if they WORKED for the split in my personal opinion. I wasn't a part of the run that is being specifically discussed here, so as long as the BS did his job, would I give the split.

I have my own BS mule for Zak runs now, but when I was just starting out I used to rely on BS in the main party. And they would all spam dispell during the entire body phase to earn their splits.

 

Again, if you're not compensating us for our effort and overhead costs, bring your own alternatives to the skills we offer. We're not bot programs. At 180, I certainly don't Zak for the exp.

 

So if all you did was cast HS. You want 5m?

 

If you want me to come along, I want my split. I'm saving you the trouble of switching between clients, and frankly, I'm probably doing a better job than you would due to that factor alone.

(This is assuming I'm just HSing, which isn't how I zak regardless. I also attack, use holy shield, control mobs, etc. etc.)

 

So you earned your split.

Switching between clients is actually trivial. My 125 bishop doesn't eat exp and it doesn't take split money. Having holy shield doesn't change anything except canceling the need to dispell or use an all cure for 30 seconds, it doesn't stop stuns. Controlling mobs is much easier with a hero attacker. If you are trying to control mobs with your bishop that means you are missing dispells or dragging the mobs onto the ranged attackers. Unless you are using gene on the other side, which then my point still stands you are missing dispells. You Zak how you Zak, but IF i'm to bring another person to actually main BS in my run, all they need to do is cast HS when needed and spam dispell to EARN THEIR SPLIT.

 

Then bring your own mule and all cures, or find a bishop with minimal self esteem. I'm giving my time, effort, and expertise, and I deserve to be compensated for it just as much as anyone else.

 

Tell me what effort and expertise is brought by a bishop who afks and casts HS and does nothing else.
EDIT:And no I don't mean you I mean a bishop that does this.

 

it is assumed that everyone in the attacker party is getting a split regardless of your class. im going to assume the OP believed to be getting his rightful splits too.

if a class isn't getting gen20 splits, they better be notified BEFORE the run, it's as simple as that. some bishops join to loot zhelms instead; conversation during that first whisper or whatever the means may be to agree on what the party members are getting out of the run would prevent future situations like this mess.

 

I agree with this wholeheartedly. But at the end of the run, when everything has been said and done, and the bishop AFKd and casted HS when it was time, the only thing I'll feel obligated to give them is their potions back or a zhelm loot. People don't run Zak for just exp(Its quite terrible with anything more than 3 characters taking exp), and if thats all the Bishop is boosting and afking the rest of the time, they have literally been unhelpful to the parties entire run. Shit I would rather give a priest buyer 15m discount on their helmet loot over an afk bishop casting HS every now and then.

 

I really don't get what the hoo-ha is about here. Bishops are, have been, and will always be an integral part of parties simply because of the multitude of support skills they bring (namely HS, Res, Dispel, Holy Shield, Heal or MW if applicable). You're talking as if the Bishop being there for the run isn't a contribution at all. Yes, maybe there are Bishops who don't do the "full" job of Dispelling every single lock that Zak casts, or doesn't Holy Shield at all etc., but at the end of the day, the player still made the effort to attend the boss run.

If you say Bishops who only HS and don't Dispel have not earned their split, then that's almost like saying a Lv. 135 Attacker who does less damage than a Lv. 200 Attacker deserves less splits because their contribution levels in terms of the boss run differs somewhat significantly. Or maybe someone who uses Gizers instead of Heartstoppers/Onyx Apples for the run should not be awarded splits. Something like not to his/her fullest potential, like in the case of a non-Dispelling Bishop. Granted it's not the nicest thing to do, but you wouldn't strip that person of his/her splits right?

Of course, if you're talking about the Bishop failing his main responsibility entirely, like not HS-ing for the entire run, it's a different story. That person surely does not deserve any splits. But Dispelling is a comparatively trivial issue which can be overcome by using All Cure Pots. Can HS be replaced if there isn't a Bishop in the party? No. How about Res if you have a dead buyer or Attacker? No.

Yes, you have your own HS mule, but others might not. How is that relevant anyway? You're speaking almost as if Bishops are literally queuing up to attend your runs, which I doubt is the case, seeing how it seems like you'd willingly put someone out for failing to Dispel. Since you have your own mule then that's great for you, no one forced you to bring someone else. But if you do, then whether or not the Bishop (or Attacker for that matter) did a super good job or a (relatively) mediocre job, it doesn't matter, because that person was part of the party.

There are good Bishops/players who do great in everything; HS and leave party to not leech exp, Dispelling on time without fail, using Holy Shield immediately once it's off CD etc. And there are Bishops/players who might be new, or are just at the point in time unaware of what can be expected of them. Maybe yeah they were lazy or something, but it's a game after all, why take it so seriously? Isn't the whole point to have fun with others? If they weren't great then just don't run with them next time, but don't undermine them by taking away their splits.

I'm definitely not condoning Bishops just afking and HS-ing at the last bits during boss runs, everyone appreciates a good Bish (I hope!). I just think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Besides, this isn't the place to discuss all these. OP's intention was to bring about awareness of some unfair treatment he (felt that he) was subjected to. He and the party(ies) who were originally involved have already made their stand known. Why bring your own opinions into this? If you're really that hard-up about it, then maybe you could create a guide for Bishops to Zak runs (not sure if one already exists) or something, like what Shiyui kindly did for Bishops in HT. That way you can spread the info and hopefully minimise your encounters with "non-contributing" Bishops.

 

Are they dooring you? Even if not, were they already in El Nath? Are you literally paying for their potions to stay alive while they "afk, cast HS, and do nothing else?" Could they be off selling leech instead, while they're waiting to HS you? Do you realize that knowing when to cast HS requires the bishop to be paying attention to Maple, not AFK?

If you want a bishop in your party, compensate them just as you do all your other party members. They are, after all, one of your party members. If you think what the bishop does isn't worth the split, use your HS mule. It's as simple, and, frankly, unambiguous, as that.

 

he online on forum , but missing in game 3 days.

 

Wow I didn't realize the stakes of this game were so high

 

SharpStars 4th day missing

 

JUST PAY THE DUDE....

 

SharpStars 1 week offline . RIP

 

@Ario what do you think about this?

 

I'm done intervening in this case.

 

I think even if all a bishop does is HS then afk, they should still get a split

 

LUL gg time to add his name on blacklist thread