Inconsistent decision making by Staff and Tyrannical attitude towards people who choose to speak up

Don't mind if I do, where do I start?

Let me just preface this post by saying it was purely motivated as it stemmed from this thread: (1) https://royals.ms/forum/threads/tim...e-expected-especially-not-in-this-way.109615/

Let me say in all simplicity, why is it that jurisdiction is not held equal among staff?

In (1) I had made a comment about how "Dimitri" was hypocritical and full of nonsense, seconds later after @Zenoooo had liked my post was removed.

May I ask why exactly was my post removed when it's been shown time and time again that the staff love to keep an archive of all posts as they serve "evidence" and have been denied to be deleted when requested by some posters? Let me make this clear, nothing I said in (1) contained excessive flame, racial slurs or profanity AT ALL. I was in the right to point out and reiterate the fact to provide proof that my claims weren't ungrounded as seen in (2) https://royals.ms/forum/threads/yikes.108042/page-3

Speaking of, that thread now has the poster "Topsykretts" as the respondent to Dimitri's post when it was in fact me "Nullpo" but my forum account had mysteriously been deleted moments after that thread without any warning or previous offense (Only had like 10ish posts on there which all did not contain foul language or whatever).

Why don't you post below what I commented in (1) and let everyone judge to see if it broke 'forum etiquette'?

Better yet, why did Dimitri hint that he would have gotten leniency with a 3 day ban when people could and probably have been permanently banned from smuggling KPQ Coupons.

Where is the consistency in this? I understand that if you delete a post it's most likely nonsense flame which contain no value or information, yet when I clearly point out something wrong in the judicial system for this game my original forum account just gets deleted, a new account with 0 posts that did not excessively flame post racial slurs or profanity in a comment gets deleted

Whats the reason for all this? Are all my comments removed cause they might contain a bit of truth in them?

Spoiler

I don't even know this person but I actually feel sorry for people like @stunk who are in the situation of giving evidence to ridiculous claim, you're literally asking him to provide evidence against your claims which, looks like so far, that the staff has just fabricated instead of actually showing proof which is ironic since you literally ask everyone to do and is banned unless provided otherwise.

Concisely put:

1) Why was my forum account deleted (Nullpo) without notice without any racial slurs, excessive flaming, profanity, repeated or previous offences.
2) Why was my new forum account deleted which contained 1 post that had no racial slurs, excessive flaming, profanity repeated or previous offences.
3) Why did Dimitri hint at getting a lenient punishment (3day ban) as opposed to the permanent ban according to ToS, yet people can be banned for smuggling KPQ Coupons.
4) Why do you choose to delete my posts and accounts when you've shown historically that you refuse to delete posts or accounts as they service evidence and act as a mass archive for anything, but supposedly my posts which contain no racial slurs, excessive flaming, profanity repeated or previous offences get deleted at the speed of light?

Once again, I reiterate to please post the comment I posted in (1) without a doubt this did not contain excessive rage or flame as @Martin claimed, that is a complete lie @Martin it was not irrelevant as it pointed at this very fact that the staff loves to hand out bans but when you're caught red handed all evidence disappears otherwise why would all my comments be deleted? post the comment.

I would love to converse and provide additional questions and constructive feedback if any staff choose to reply instead of deleting this thread even though @Martin gave me the opportunity to do otherwise.

Thank you.

 

My original account was unjustly deleted for no reason, before discuss whether what im doing now is against the rules (multiple accounts) we must first investigate why I was delete for no reason.

 

Your old forum account and Topsykretts had similarities consistent with someone making multiple forum accounts. Instead of immediately flaming other posts, you could have made a ban appeal on said forum account being merged. If you believe youre account was unfairly merged, that's how you should go about getting it fixed.

As for other parts..

1) see above
2) Seeing as your original forum account was essentially "banned" for being tied to another, forum rules dictate all extras be banned, thus Nullpov2 being banned.
3) where are you seeing he got a 3 day ban?
4) Your posts specifically on Dimitris thread were deleted because they were intentionally flaming, not helpful, not feedback (which would be in the wrong place), you had a huge meme attached it.

Additionally, I wasn't the one deleting your posts.

Now, this thread is a step in the right direction, and if people don't stay on topic, posts WILL be deleted as this is a touchy subject. In general post aren't being deleted because people are speaking up, they're being deleted because they're off topic, inciting arguments, flaming, etc.

 

What? This is absolute nonsense, I don't know how this was concluded but this is just made up.

I'll do so now as you say, but would I need to provide some ridiculous "proof"? I won't really bother if I've got to do so as I've literally been accused of being the same person (how can this even happen) out of nowhere.

Fair enough and I have guessed so myself as I addressed this point in my main post, however I don't believe thats the case, as such, I request the post to be posted here and let everyone judge whether this is off-topic, inciting arguments and flaming. It was literally one fact (I addressed that he was full of nonsense) and one joke which was a picture of the popular meme "OmegaLul" quoted with a non "hurtful" comment that just recited something that he used against @Charlie in his farewell post.

 

Your first post was deleted because it was unnecessarily rude and negative, and also because parts of it was off topic and didn't belong in the thread. You may say it wasn't excessively hurtful or rude, to which i can honestly say nothing but that i simply disagree. You could have posted a comment without all the extra flame and the off topic stuff about your forum account, and your post would've been left untouched. Your following two posts were then removed because they were completely off topic to the thread, and since you continued posting even after your two previous posts got deleted, i gave you 20 warning points for excessively spamming/flooding a thread with unnecessary content. No, your forum account wasnt deleted, it's just forum banned as a result of you violating the forum rules. Go make a forum ban appeal if you believe you have been wrongfully banned.

Your other forum account Nullpo was merged with Topyskretts because they shared the same IP which leads us to believe you are the same person. It was never deleted.
And just because we don't delete threads on request, it doesn't mean that we never delete posts. Your posts broke the forum rules and you were given the appropriate warning points which resulted in your forum account being banned for 3 days.
We're not gonna post your comment here. It was removed for a reason

 

Okay most of the forum stuff here will not be discussed as I have opened a ban appeal to deal with that so I will not comment on that further.

Heres the problem I have with this, see, I want to make the claim that my comment was not what you said it was, but I have NO way of doing so if nobody can see the evidence, look at it this way, if a person is being convicted in a court room of murder and the evidence was CT camera footage of a person being murdered what exactly happens? The judge doesnt say 'Were not going to view the evidence for the jury to see here. It was too graphic/censored for a reason"

Evidence is evidence, just post the comment in spoilers if you think its that rude, in actuality, unless a comment is just full of profanity and derogatory comments that has zero actual substance why should it be even deleted? You say it was off topic (What is even off topic or on topic about introductions/farewells section?) where as I say it was proof that just because the staff says something doesn't mean its true.

But whos to judge? Nobody, no one even knows what the comment was and I'm being portrayed as a person who was just non stop spamming profanity in my comment to have it deleted, I'm seen as in the wrong since "it must have been a lot of nonsense for it to get deleted".

 

Well all the "evidence" here is available to all members of staff, so its not like its gone forever and only I possess the knowledge of the contents of the posts that got removed. Sure its not available to everyone, but it doesnt have to be either.

 

This is just laughable & my thread was not treated at all the same, there was plenty of rude or hurtful things said there & nothing was done. Maybe Nullpo is correct on inconsistencies. Just because you don't like something or disagree with something that is said doesn't make it against the rules.

 

Yes I understand that but you're not addressing the main point as to what I'm saying, ONLY YOU have the capability to review that information, YOU are a Staff member but YOU ARE NOT carrying out true justice, YOUR OWN OPINIONS of what is deemed hurtful is getting in the way of having an agreed collective view on what is suitable and what isn't.

Look I'm honestly not being spiteful but you're just being tyrannical at this point, how can this be a feedback discussion if you're not willing to put your feet in my shoes as an ordinary player? Honestly, why not just post the comment, because (I reiterate that im not being spiteful) I am claiming you are lying 100% as to how "offensive" my post was.

But see thats the thing since you're unwilling to show anyone or even spoiler the comment I did (Nothing long, perhaps 3-4 sentences with a picture), no one but you is allowed to govern this situation.

It's an endless cycle of either having a democratic system and allowing people to publicly view (within reason) your so called evidence or being totally tyrannical and letting the judge, jury and executioner be one person (or a group of people).

Just post the comment and it's simple proof that my comment was not as exaggerated as you claimed it to be, honestly.

 

That's simply not true.

I would have deleted it if someone else didn't. Not only was it off topic, it was hijacking the thread to make a point about your forum account being deleted, and it was all around insensitive with the massive (albeit spoiler-ed) meme image attached.

That's 3 sections of the rules broken.

Spoiler: Rules

Breach of Forum Etiquette (5 Points)
A breach of forum etiquette is a minor offense that may or may not result in warning points being applied to an offending player at the discretion of the responding forum moderator.

• Consistent doubleposting, spamming or thread flooding
• Posting in the wrong section, posting improperly in a section, or posting the same content in multiple sections
• Unnecessarily private messaging members of MapleRoyals Staff, or alternatively messaging multiple members of MapleRoyals Staff in situations that do not warrant it
• Posting unhelpful, off-topic, detrimental or otherwise useless replies to a thread
• Posting in a thread with the intent of replacing the thread's purpose with one's own (hijacking)
• Posting rude, offensive, hurtful or otherwise negative comments in a thread
• Bumping one's own thread more frequently than once per 24 hours
• Inappropriate necroposting that may result in confusion or misinformation to the public
• Unacceptably large, bright, strobing or otherwise obnoxious signature or avatar content
• Failure to comply with specific subforum rules as outlined in their own locations

Again, the post was deleted for a reason, that's not tyranny. It will stay deleted.

 

Spoiler: Off-Topic

Smuggling passes is considered glitch abuse so you're incorrect in that the first offense merits a 14-day ban, not permanent.

As for the main topic of this thread, yeah this is only an online game and people ought to be punished when breaking the rules; however, just because we can't actually see the people controlling the moving character on the screen, doesn't make us all robots. We all have emotions as human beings and thus ought to treat everyone as such. We can all agree that the Staff were put in a very tough situation. I'd hope that you would forgive a close friend who screwed up and admitted to their mistake, instead of choosing to shun them away for the rest of your life. In this same way the Staff felt as though his contribution to the server was not to be neglected in this particular situation. Let's face it, Dimitri has given so much to the server in the past 3 years, as a player, then GM, then an Administrator. And for that all to be thrown away in the blink of an eye doesn't seem just right.

I'd like to reiterate that consistency is something that should be followed to the best of one's ability and is an important part of any server or online community. Nonetheless, as there are exceptions to almost every rule, this situation seems to be a good example of one. In the end after not being able to bear with the burden anymore he decided to turn himself in. We ought to see this for what it is instead of resorting to flame wars.

 

whatever makes you laugh charlie, but there are actual forum rules, and when a post feels both out of place, and is breaking more than one forum rule, it's gonna get removed. I didn't remove it purely because I didn't like it, no, it breached the forum rules and thus it was removed.
And regarding the initial deleted post, i think it's safe to say that a post in someones farewell thread where half the content is you complaining about your other forum account getting "deleted" is off topic. But hey you are free to have your own opinions about it
I can't deny that there are inconsistencies. Staff consists of very different people who all moderate slightly differently, and i mean we're obviously not perfect so inconsistencies are gonna happen. We do sincerely try to be as consistent as we can, and though it may not come in the nicest, most formal way, we try to listen to feedback such as this and improve.

 

For starters I find it painful to read some of the very colourful text in this thread. I'm not sure what the purpose of colouring text is.

Anyway, why can't people recognise that the staff give up a lot of their personal time for nothing in return to make this game a success? Being a GM isn't easy, it requires a lot of effort and perseverance to be successful at it. Those who got promoted to admins had to be exceptional. It's easy to think you could do a better job than say, Tim, who seems to get a lot of the criticism, being the most active admin in the game, but by the time you take into account everything an admin has to do on a daily basis, and the many difficult and not always clear cut decisions they have to make, it's not easy. So many people apply to be GM's on private servers because they think it's all about running events, being able to teleport around in invisible mode, being able to spawn random stuff, and applying their judgement to ban appeals, which is supposedly better than the current staff's judgement. It really really isn't.

And here on the forum, the staff seem consistent enough. They do what's needed to keep the peace... many of the people who get upset at them are those who are testing limits and just being a general nuisance.

 

Sorry, I get a little confused with your arguement.
First, I think there is no problem with appreciating their effort and critizing their work at the same time. Here PO is criticizing their work but it does not mean the PO does not appreciate their work. I do not know why you are raising a totally different topic here. Maybe you think a hard working dictator should never be criticized.
Second, there are tons of applications for GM positions. I do see GM position as a privilege and honor than an obligation.

 

What's wrong with a dictator? A dictator is just somebody in charge who makes the decisions. As long as they're fair and reasonable, this isn't an issue. There's no way the admins of this server should be expected to go through the hassle of running their server in a way that means the playerbase get input in the decisions, that's just ridiculous and unnecessary.

This is exactly the problem though. People seem to think it's some kind of privilege that they should get for certain achievements, etc. It's not though, it's serving the community and only those wanting to give something back to the community should consider it. Stay away if you just want to be seen with the GM thing above your head, etc.

 

I am sorry I sould not make the comments for you. My fault. We are in different worlds

 

I'd have no idea what you're trying to say...

 

Dude, I do not know why they keep complaining if the rules are already done. As mentioned before, GMs will always be covered under discretion.

PD: @Zygon Why did you save the server fam ?
PD2: If u really don't like Royals don't do RWT just keep (F)$%#$& the economy.
PD3: You choose to play a server as authoritarian as this, do not continue with this drama and close the thread, please.

 

read this post a long while back, and now i can somewhat empathize.