Be honest with the player base about what happened to the economy here.

@ImJakeFromStateFarm
See, it's not RWT. It's hackers/botters. RWT is merely a byproduct of little significance.

 

I don't think anyone has ever denied that hackers/botters are the main product and that RWTing is strongly backed by hackers/botters. This is a known fact that cannot be denied. At the same time, hackers/botters are not the only ones RWTing. People who have a stupid amount of wealth (top 10% players) are also regular participants of RWTing (this is something that happens on every server btw).

With that said, RWT is not directly a result of hackers/botters but is definitely strongly backed by these users. Regardless of whether or not hackers/botters were on the server there would still be a RWT market because that's simply how this game works. If the server is of a larger size, a RWT market will emerge as a result of a competitive playerbase.

 

I agree.

 

Again for the 4th time this link has been posted in this thread. Please read the content in this link very carefully.

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/farewell-mapleroyals.109088/

This is written by someone who has insider information and was part of the RWT community before he was perma banned.

Edit: if you disagree or do not believe the contents written in that link, please provide justification and source to back it up.

 

you are not gonna change people, I've tried it and fail. Quit now

 

I would agree with you to some extent but this is just a phylosophic qustion:" Is the cause of the cause the cause of the fact?"
RWT encourages more botting/hacking. cause 1
Mesoes created from botting/hacking caused inflattion. cause 2
inflattion. fact
Cause 1 caused cause 2. Cause 2 caused the fact. Is cause 1 the cause of the fact. I would say it depends on how you think of the world.
But practically, which cause is relatively easier to deal with (RWT or Botting/Hacking). I would assume it was the second.

 

This is actually the more accurate statement from this thread, and it doesn't come with a wall of texts that are filled with inaccuracies!

 

0.o I went to some RWT websites (both in English and Chinese) and checked the price over the last year. At November 2016, the WS/CS price (300-350m in mesoes) is about 6-6.5 US dollars (38-42 RMB) and the mesoes are about 0.3 USB per 10m (1.5 -2 RMB per 10m). AT Octorber 2017, the WS/CS price (470 in mesoes) is about 4-4.5 USD (27-30 RMB) and the mesoes are about 7 RMB per 10m (Sry, I did not find the value in USD).
Mesoes were actually sold a little higher than WS/CS （if you do a calculation, it costs 60RMB per WS/CS at last November and 35 RMB at this Octorber if one person rwted mesoes and then purchased WS/CS in game） in both this year and last year. It indicated that the botting/hacking were not the only source but also vote abusing affecting the RWT economy. The difference in the RWT prices between Mesos and WS/CS were probably due to the fact they were from different sources: botting and vote abusing. However, last year the in-game market was pretty stable. It seems the RWT did not inflate the in-game market badly when the autoban system was functioning.
From last November to this October the real world price of WS/CS is going down and so as the mesoes. If the theory of demand and supply holds, it seems the demand of WS/CS decreased in RWT or the supply increased. Since WS/CS were actually cheaper than pure Mesoes in RWT, I think the WS/CS invovled in RWT did not really decrease the in-game supply because it is neither hard nor a bad deal to buy WS/CS in RWT and sell them in game. Due to the absense of autoban system, I also noticed that botting increased in heartstopper, ToT and zombie maps. Assuming the supply of WS/CS did not change that much (equal amount of players and vote abusers), the hacking/botting was probably the main course of the inflattion. The RWT, at least based on the data I see, did not directly advance the inflation. Well, I do not deny RWT encouraged hacking/botting.

 

Yup, i agree that not all of the scrolls sold by RWTers are given back to the market, some are used for scrolling, definitely.
That is why i said that they surely affect economy, but aren't top5 reason in my mind.

I'd appreciate if you read my post correctly because i think the "open your eyes" at the end triggered you to the point you didn't care what i said and wanted to just bash my opinion.
I didn't say that RWT doesn't affect economy, and you would know that if you've read my post.
I clearly said that we don't know what are the statistics and that the 10% is a pure assumption, and you would know that if you've read my post.

Most of your post is just pure attack at my person, claiming that everyone doesn't agree with my opinion even though you're speaking only for yourself and a person just above you agreed with me.
You still said something smart which was the line about hackers/botters continuing to purchase the scrolls no matter the price, thus being a regular buy force that is not fading away no matter the price.

And i agree with that, in fact i didn't think of it myself and just that reason alone might push it to a top5 after all.

The point was obviously targeting people that can purchase chaos/white scrolls.
Dunno where you got the 2.147b from, because this is not something that's limiting you. You can hold another 2.147b in storage and create multiple meso mules.

Your point of view is actually favorable towards my point/opinion, because usually people would buy the "second-currency" which technically is Chaos/White right now to store value when they reach the meso cap.
Meaning instead of making a mule they'd buy scrolls and that would happen near 4.3b when they have full mesos on character and in storage. Which would mean they spent around 13% of their wealth to purchase one scroll.

Or over 25% of their wealth if i didn't add my storage thing and wen't with your cap limitation vision.

 

I thought it was quite fitting to use an arbitrary 2.147b for an arbitrary 10% statistics. I guess nobody get it

An account can store up to 2.147483647b * 8 mesos btw. A grand total of 17.18b.

10% of that will be 1.718b, when ws/cs was at 300m in old source, the "10% rule" means that player will buy only 5~6 ws/cs.

 

So even if MapleRoyals had their own currency the whole economy would be busted anyway ?

They actually made the call of relaunching the most anticipated server too early and they pay the price now (larger community involve larger risks).
Only things you can do is either find the "big dealers" of the RWT website and try to block access (which is impossible) or try to get the autoban great again.
The RWT will stop eventually if the price of the currency (WS/CS cause mesos are shit) are too high when compared to the "revenue" of the dude buying , but imo with what i saw on gMS ppl are crazy when it comes to show their e-penis.

 

Just get rid of multi-clienting . Then worry about dynamic IP addresses for people using more than 1 computer. Also might be a good time to hire a l33t hacker who knows whats going on. Problem sorta solved

 

Accomplishes nothing, at the very last resort people would do the change user/guest login feature for windows or use VM's with very small working sets of ram (a GNU/LINUX distro running wine for example.)

ISP's buy a pool of public IP's and allocate them dynamically to customers, it's not about a particular computer you use.

 

Like Nullpo said, that changes literally nothing. You can easily spoof your MAC and tunnel your internet service through a proxy or use VPN.
Staff is doing good job prioritizing auto-ban right now, because that's probably the thing that's gonna fix the most right now.

 

Literally none of @Evan ’s post was even remotely an attack on your person. He responded to your inaccuracies and summarized why people are disagreeing with you. None of it was offensive, none of it included vague disrespect like asking people to “open their eyes,” which implies that people are blind or otherwise not looking at things when they are. Stop assuming everyone who disagrees with you is attacking you, as it will get you nowhere in life.

Just felt the need to point that out - I think the truth on this subject is that every little bit has made things worse. RWT, Charlie’s fiasco, no autobans, vote abuse loopholes, bad regular player NX market limitations. I think staff hasn’t been “honest” with us because realistically, how can they? It’s hard to pin exactly what has happened here and I think stating “it’s a whole whack of things screwing us” doesn’t really tell us much, and it’s all they really know. I’d like to believe they’re working on narrowing down causes - when they hit the goldmine and things return back to normal, we will understand why. Until then, it’s anyone’s guess.

 

Something as simple as putting up a post in the announcements section of the forums would have sufficed. All it would have had to say is "We acknowledge the issue, we're working on putting out a fix, please stay tuned in the meantime."

 

Pretty sure Kai has been spamming this everywhere, this doesn't need an 'official post in the announcements section' because its nothing more than a time waster to make people have a 'feel good reaction' to the situation

 

Considering that this is one of the biggest issues affecting the server, I think that the admins and the GMs giving a response that can be easily seen by the player base is something more than a 'time waster to make people have a feel good reaction'.

 

I mean, they are giving a response... every time someone asks, Kai gives a response... maybe you're right, maybe an announcement would have helped, but I'm unsure how it would have changed anything in the grand scheme of things. I've been very critical of staff's physical inaction because that's something that contributed to things getting worse, but I'm not exactly sure how an announcement would have helped at all. Players knew. Staff knew. Everyone knew. This thread spawned because Tentomon wanted staff to acknowledge the magnitude of what happened, not that it happened at all. Anyone who is paying any attention to anything would have known that. Nobody ever denied it, either. Nobody with a brain, anyway.

 

(NOTE: I just wanted to say: to be fair to the staff, they have been more active in responding to the players in recent weeks. That is absolutely a good thing.)

You're creating a strawman here. I am certainly not saying that people are not aware of the current situation. That's absolutely not what I meant. Of course, many people know what's happening now, but what I'm saying is that no one knows exactly what the management's position or plan is on these issues - whether it's complete removal of these items, planting traps on RWT websites or anything else. As you can see from the threads in the feedback section, there still are players who are concerned about the WS/CS/APresets/RWT/botting issues and probably many more others who are less active in the forums and who share the same concerns even before this whole thing snowballed in the last few weeks. People are starting to question the admins and the GMs precisely because they are seeking for an assurance that there will be tough measures that will be put in place to combat inflation and illegal activities in this server and they have yet to get that response they're seeking. That was the message Tentomon was trying to convey in this thread.