Zakum Looting Question

IGN: respectwamen
Zakum VIP buyer

I had a looting bug in zakum where I couldn't loot any single helmet or other items (eg. dropped coins), even after I dropped my own zakum helmet.

Do I still pay the sellers?

I know for buyers disconnect, people don't pay / they pay after they get the zak helms right?

Seller ign is Babyshuan.

 

dont tryna gain sympathy here lols. your mega is misleading to start with. firstly you didnt dc, secondly you didnt die.
zak was downed, 4 helms there, service completed.
you got issue looting and you say you cant. we tried and we can ? so its YOUR problem you cant/didnt loot.
the way you re trying to lie your way through is disgusting imo.

p.s next time i ll try get vip service too, i ll throw away all helms unless its all 22stats. so i dont have to pay cause ive got no helm *winkwinks*

 

if he didn't loot anything why should he pay?

 

Sorry bout that phrasing man. I'm not trying to lie or anything.

I thought disconnect and looting bug was similar because
-both are buyer's fault
-end result both = buyer don't get any zakum helms

Yup to clarify, I didn't disconnect - I had a looting bug and I couldn't loot anything, even my own dropped 10 meso coin.

I think it's not the same as throwing away all zakum helmets due to poor stats though (You pay if you looted), the problem is I couldn't even loot one into my inventory.

 

As far as I see here the zak was killed and the helms dropped. Thus the service was provided. If he didn't loot for whatever reason thats the buyers side and not the sellers fault. You didnt dc, you didnt die, and it is the first time someone "complains" about not being able to loot zhelms

 

That would be true if people were selling a service to kill Zakum. But people are not selling that. They are selling zhelms.

 

maybe she should or shouldnt. debatable.

she should because,technically the atker team did their service by downing the zak, helm dropped. she didnt pick up.
she was the vip buyer, so wouldnt be possible for leader to get other buyers.

she shouldnt maybe like you say she didnt get any helm.

 

The zhelm is the result of killing zakum and the zhelm dropped, so IT WAS THERE FOR THE BUYER TO PICK, thus service completed.

 

Wouldn't that mean that any merchant can demand payment for any groceries you see in the store because he made sure they were available to you? I respectfully disagree with your assessment.

 

ye and the loot BUG don't bother you at all, or you just have selective reading?

if the buyer DC and no GM to warp him back?
zak was killed and loot was dropped, he should pay as well without the ability to pick the Z helms?

both scenarios ZAK is dead, look on the floor and the buyer without the ability to loot.

EDITed*

 

No, this argument cant fit this scenareo. A grocer can has the products available for anyone that walks in. A zhelm buyer is the only person that can loot a zhelm, it means that the zhelms are not available to anyone who walks in like on a grocery shop. Specially since there is only one vip buyer

No, I dont have selective reading. It seems you do as I mentioned the bug was the buyers side problem and that no one has ever complaint about such bug before.

 

"the bug was the buyers side problem" & "no one has ever complaint about such bug before"

so what, you assume since there was no reports of bug like this, bug like this can't happen?, this bug might be heisenbug type for all you know, what make you be so sure its on the buyer? (shit like this hard to fix)
also, just so you know "buyers side problem", no no no, that's now how its work..

its game side problem, NOT buyer!

PS: the matter has been resolved so have a good day..

 

apology accepted. lets close this debate.
glad you realized your mistake of your phrasing in that mega and hope it doesnt happen again huh.
hope you resolve your "looting issue" soon and get your desired helm. cheers!

 

No loot helm = no need pay. End of story

 

In my opinion, for VIP service, it is important that the buyer pay half of the price of the service before enter, then pay another half after the service is completed and helm was looted. This will be more fair to the seller. They spend apples/HS and half hour to kill zak. If you (the only buyer) die inside or having some weird bug, this is very unfair to the seller.
PAY HALF OF THE PRICE BEFORE ENTER ZAKUM ALTAR.
This is the most appropriate way for VIP zakum service.

 

Here's my thoughts.
It's not fair to the sellers to not get paid for their time and money invested.
It's not fair to the buyer to not get a Helm after spending their time (and money if they paid the sellers).
In this case, I think a Bug Report should be made, and a thread in Character Issues to see if a GM can refund you for the Helm(s).

 

I think y'all need to keep in mind that you're all on the same side here. The sellers want their money, the buyer wants their helmet. Nobody wanted this to happen, this is nobody's fault except the server bug's. I don't see this as any different than player disconnection, honestly - if you don't disconnect through random play, you shouldn't disconnect at Zakum. This was the one of the core premises of new source. If you wouldn't demand that a buyer pay for the Zakum Helmets after a kill-disconnection which appears to still happen to players, then why would you demand they pay for this bug as well? Nobody is wanting this to happen, and it's truly unfortunate for both sides. As Muff said above me - it's not fair to anyone. For the disconnections, I'm sure staff are working around the clock to limit them. For this issue, it appears to be a known glitch - a Character Issues thread should be made and would likely be approved pretty quickly if it is. After a helm is refunded, the sellers should be paid, and you all should move on with your lives.

I don't understand why everyone is so quick to jump at one anothers' throats. No helmet has always been no payment, whether it's the players fault like dying or the server's fault like disconnecting/bugs. It sucks from both sides, it really does, but that's just how selling helms has been. I've been selling Zakum Helmets since likely before anyone in this thread even played MapleRoyals, and that's always been the case.

Also, re: the person who said pay half before going in - good luck getting that to work. Nobody does that. Nobody. It's just not a thing.

 

Not taking any side here , but I experienced this very bug this weekend in lpq. I wa the leader and I couldn't pick any thrown passes.

 

I understand that nobody do the pay half stuff. I understanding server bug is unpredictable. I agree that if server bug happen, or you disconnect during the run, you don't have to pay. These all make sense. Sellers usually take these into account and they will find more buyers as at least one buyer will die or disconnect during the run (90% of the time). That is fine, at least seller get back some mesos after 1 or 2 buyer die or dc. However, this is different in a VIP run. It is either all or nothing. Paying half before enter is reasonable and in fact it is appropriate. If seller did not finish the run, money return. If everything works, buyer pay another half. If buyer dc, that's it. I understand that no one does that, but that does not mean that this is not appropriate. In fact, this will be more fair. If you are VIP service buyer, this is your responsibility to make sure you survive until the end. Some sellers even provide HB and Ress. If you can't even finish the run (die or DC due to your personal issue), paying half of the service mesos to the (3 or more) sellers make perfect sense. SERVER BUG is a rare case, this will depend on how the seller negotiate with buyer. I personally think that I will not request any mesos if I am seller, and I will pay some mesos to seller if I am the buyer. IF YOU CAN BUY VIP SERVER, DON'T TELL ME YOU CAN'T PAY THESE FEW MESOS.
A lot buyer might be against this for your own benefits. But had you ever think about the seller? I think most seller understand the disappointment after all buyer die or dc and no Gen is dropped. Some people do not go Zak run for EXP.
I did not speak this for anyone. I know this community might not even want to change. I speak this and hope to ameliorate the community to be better and more fair. I will not continue to make my points. Human with sense should be able to understand.

 

I have done plenty of Zakum runs for VIP service over the four years I've played here and even have an current thread advertising that same service. I understand where you're coming from, and if you can find buyers willing to do things that way, power to you. I'm of the opinion that it's not necessary, and I have been in that situation where I have ended up with a money run going to complete waste because of a buyer disconnection likely more times than you've run Zakum total on this server. We all have different opinions, right? I wish you the best in your own runs, I'm going to stick to the way that I do mine, though. I just think that it shows trust rather than starting off the run with "hey pay me now so that I make something in case you or the server fails."

But this is slightly off topic, so I'll leave it at that.