Map ownership/ksing

The map ownership really needs a rework, countless time i have people come into map and they are the ksers, claim ownership and say im ksing them.

Example: I'm channel 7 evil dead farming bf (shadower). I get it down to 10% Hp, go dark sight to drop meso and bring mules into the channel. And some bs just comes into map spams gene , when im clearly in the map and have been killing in there.

But gains ownership from one spam gene. Then tell me to cc, 10mins wasted in map. In any world he is ksing me hard here. But with the current system im made out as a kser and forced to leave my map. With such a flawed system i could go to every map hit once, take all 20 channels and tell everyone to cc.

Trying not to sound salty and bitter but very frustrating events, especially when about to level. Bigfoot can be very tiring, hope to see some common sense for this or some clarification, because in any world I'm the one being ksed but with this poor system, people are abusing its power.

Thanks

 

This part is the only thing that sucks about mapowner.

In your case though you most likely could've avoided losing your map since you said you were killing for 10minutes before the bishop showed up, all you need to do is attack a mob every 3minutes or less to keep map owner.

Also what do you suggest should be done instead?

 

Yeah most of the time i try to hit every 3 mins, but sometimes you get caught up in moving hs mule there or dropping meso. It so much more efficient to drop every 5 mins for meso explosion and pin in corner.

It not so much the system or more so the ruling behind it. Like if I've been in the map for 10+ mins constantly attack, and i don't attack for 2mins to drop meso cause thats the only way to do damage as a shadower because rest of our skills are either bugged or aren't available due to no HT and GPQ. And some1 comes into map and hits the mob once, like not even bigfoot himself just a random purple mob and i lose ownership and i can get potential banned form it is ridiculous. Not to mention positioning bigfoot is vital for efficiency.

As for a suggest, i have really had the time to think about it quite yet. Will update if i find a decent solution. It more so the ruling about it that I'm complaining about.

Maybe a suggest would be, if no one has ownership and I tag, and as long as you're doing actions in the map, moving, attacking, dropping meso, typing. Ownership should be maintained, but afking doesn't count. Not really sure how this would work as hackers and macros could just do one of these things keep the map forever.

 

You could always record yourself while killing Bigfoot, and if it comes to be that someone comes into the map and steals mapowner, you can prove you where there longer and they were just trying to steal it through a technical loophole. A video SHOULD be enough evidence to prevent you from being banned for KSing. Maybe @Kai can chime in on that?

 

Yeah reason for post, looking for some clarification or change, so a system that is suppose to prevent ksing is actually causing Ksing

 

A video is always best in KS cases.

Ultimately if a GM isn't around the ~mapowner command decides who has the rights to it with the exclusion of BOSS maps like Anego, Bigfoot and Headless Horseman if the person holding the map is not able to / not planning to kill the boss on that character. This means you cannot hold a Bigfoot map on your other characters unless you are actively attacking it. In addition, note that all maps with mobs on them can be owned by players that can deal damage on them as low as 1. The owner has the right to ask you to leave even if they are less efficient in training than you are.

 

Doesn't mesos dissapear after 3minutes so why then is it more efficient to drop for 5minutes? You're basically asking for a change so that you dont have to attack once ever 3min, if you want to drop for 5minutes just attack once and go back go dropping how much time are you going to lose doing that?

Will a video actually change anything? I thought map owner is what matters, it's pretty easy to keep mapowner if you're actually using the map.

"Kill-stealing - The act of attacking bosses or monsters on a map persistently without the system designation of ownership via the /mapowner in-game command, or alternatively last-hitting any bosses or monsters on a map without that same designation, without the expressed permission of the player who does have that designation."

 

@Kai Thank for the clarification, thats perfect then. So if I'm in the map actively killing bigfoot and bs comes in and hits purple monster, and claims map even though his not actively killing it. I can claim ownership of the boss.

Taking a video everytime i kill bigfoot, which is up to 50 time a day, isn't always the best solution. But if 'm reading and understanding what you're saying then i think i should be okay and claiming the boss to be mine, if i'm constantly attack or dropping meso and he has sweeped in and gene once and then isnt actively killing the boss.

Regarding the efficiency part i think you miss understood what i was saying, i wasn't saying that because i can kill more efficient i get the ownership. I was saying that its more efficient to use a pinning technique on the Bigfoot. Which at times can require positioning of boss and then dropping meso which takes alot of time and cause loss of mapownership while dropping meso.

@Hampa Yes it disappears every 3 mins, You misread what i said. (droping every 5mins not droping for 5mins). Example Drop for 2-3mins, find him in map, tag him, pull him to the left, pin him attack for a min or so. Repeat. No I'm not asking for a change so I don't have to attack every 3 mins, looking for a change or clarification that kai has given now to prevent the system that meant to prevent Ksing, to cause it.

 

Sorry but this explanation has been ruled out by John in the past. The map owner command has the final decision and whoever has the map has all the right to hog it. Please clarify this as it was a huuuge drama in the past about staff contradicting each other.

 

Will reclarify.

 

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/anego-map-ownership.96228/#post-530527

Thanks

 

I can see how the way you lost your bf is frustrating , but it's stil kind of your fault since you could avoid it by simply hitting a mob . I do think there's a flaw in how mapowner works , which occurs when the server lags and causes some DCs , thus make it impossible to keep mapowner. Not sure if there's a way to change it / make it more efficient tho .

 

Increase the map owner time from hitting a mob every 3 mins to every 5-10 mins?

As a fellow shadower, this has happened to me as well. Go into darksight to call a guild friend to come HS, or smega to sell the toe. Then you have to start dropping mesos again to boom. You've now lost map ownership. I've only had someone steal a BF once but it was on about 3% hp. So I still got most of the exp.

 

The rules are simple you get mapowner in a map you need to attack once every 2min 59sec to keep it. In most cases you wont even need to consciously be hitting mobs because that is what you're doing when you're using the map anyway.

Does it really matter if its 3min or 10min? you will lose it either way if you go by this logic (started killing a boss now I can just wait around in darksight for an eternity while I do other stuff). How does looking for a leecher/buyer or walking your mules make it impossible for you to maintain mapownership? I've never had that problem and I've been in similar situation many times before.

 

So you're saying I can kill all those dumb bishop mules that hold big foots when I'm channel surfing and take the map? >.>

 

no. https://royals.ms/forum/threads/anego-map-ownership.96228/#post-530527

 

Okay, so if mapowner does need to be maintained, it still doesn't seem like a big deal. Can't you come out of Dark Sight, hit a monster, then go back in to Dark Sight and continue dropping mesos? Adds maybe a whole 10 seconds to the fight.

 

This could have been a problem for me too while I’m leeching. Every time my inventory gets filled up , I go back to town to NPC and drop all the crap my pet picked up. So far, every time I come back there’s nobody thankfully, and map ownership is still mine, but there been cases when I got back map ownership was reseted and a random person could have gotten there before me and take my map. You could tell me to change channels, but the thing is, buyers often afk, so you’re stuck there.

 

@Hampa your missing the point. Yes it very rare for it to happen but it can happen. You're acting like I'm going in dark sight afking and doing other things. This isn't the case. It's legit 1 in 100 situation where just bad timing. He just ccs in hits aoe gene and I react straight away as I'm dropping meso on ground. Map ownership lost. It rarely happens but can happen.

As you said I can hit every 2mins 30 to be safe but this shouldn't be necccessry just proving more flaws in the map owner system. No idea how to improve or make it fair though. Just getting some clarification on the situation, and telling how it is from my point of view.

@Muff yeah as this isn't the first time it's happen. I try to do that exact thing but sometimes timings are off and the kser sneak in. Bigfoot can be weird sometimes with a weird mob vac bug that happens sometimes where he just warps to the other side of the map. Very annoying as meso explosion knockback to left.

its hard to suggest something that will work because of indirectly not working due to hackers and Marcoers. Making all actions in map keep owner ship would Be a good idea however hackers and macros ruin this. So not really sure what can be done. Mainly was looking for a ruling on the situation. Which Kai has answered and reconfirming.

 

So what was the point of Kai's post if it has no relevance? I'm assuming he's GM since he has the tag. Also all Anego maps have mobs on them, so how can you actually enforce that rule? Is it ok to hold a boss even if you deal 1 damage to it, despite the boss having 35m hp and it might take literal days to kill it since it's ok to do the same to non-boss mobs?