HP Washing NL to 12k HP

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    Hello everybody, at the beginning I'd like to say that I've been looking for answers already, reading all HP washing guides and also asked people in the game/discord. I recieved diffrent opinions, diffrent advices and diffrent numbers so please don't send me to read the guides.

    After reading Sila's Night Lord guide: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/a-comprehensive-night-lord-guide.23303/
    I decided to go for 12k HP Nightlord in order to be able to survive PB (if it ever comes out) with HB.

    My story:
    I started leveling fresh lvl 1 character by adding pure INT early, then 25 dex to be able to complete Rogue job advancement. After that I started equipping my INT gear. Bandana at level 10, earrings lvl 15, bathrobe lvl 20 and so on.

    Currently I am lvl 31 assassin with 1087 HP and 946 MP/ 142 Base INT (209 with gear,219 with MW10) and 25 Dex. I am using following gear:

    12 Int Bandana
    21 int bathrobe
    7 int earrings
    6 int gloves
    8 int wand
    2 int shoes
    11 int raggedy cape

    That is 67 INT from equips which I am planning to upgrade by replacing bandana with zakum helmet, adding deputy star and possibly int scrolled maple shield (not sure if its worth investing over bilion in maple shield just for +8 int)

    I am aiming for 200 base int (288 with gear and mw10). Gonna lvl up that way until 135 atleast.


    My questions are: Will it be enough to wash to 12k HP at level 150~?
    If not, then do I need to MP wash aswell?
    How many AP resets approx am I going to need to finish the procees?


    Ultimate goal is to surive PB with HB since washing to 18k HP clean is way above my fundings and capabilities. Obviously having as low base int as possible would help my budget. So I'd love to know how much base int I am going to need.

    Thanks in advance for any help!
     
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    Hi! You whispered me in game earlier today but I had personal matters to attend to shortly after. Finished that spreadsheet I promised you! You actually only need 180 base int to get 12,029 HP total at level 149, 1 level earlier than you want. This will cost you 526 AP Resets total, 350 of which for HP washes and 176 to reset base int back to 4. So no MP washing required! Spreadsheet uploaded here!
     
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    Jesli bedzie miec 288int to spokojnie powinienes miec 12k hp okolo 135 levelu. Mp wash nie jest potrzebny jesli chcesz dodac tyle base int, wiec o to bym sie nie martwila. Ogolnie wszystko co powiedziala Shiyui ^ jest prawidlowe wiec tym bym sie kierowala :D A jesli chodzi o PB to raczej bardzo marne sznase ze wogole wyjdzie, ale rozumiem cie bo sama pracuje nad moim 18khp bm >.> Powodzenia!
     
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    Thank you very much. I'll wash with 200 base int and see how much I can get.

    Dzięki. Nie stać mnie aby atakować 18,5k HP, ale o 12 sie pokusze :D
     
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    I am also aiming for 12k hp but I’m trying to aim for lvl 135 and I have 200 base int with 105 int equips so around 305 int in total would this be enough to reach my goal at 135 for 12k?
     
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    i think u will have to mp wash to get 12k hp by 135
     
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    How much hp would I have if I continue this way until 135?
     
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    I am a thief
    Level 67 Used up
    All my washes so far
    Current hp 4569 clean
    Current mp: 1083 clean
     
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    And I’m wearing 305 int per level
     
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    To get 12k HP at level 135, do:

    Level 67-70: All AP into int (215 base int total)
    Level 71-124: All AP into HP
    Level 125-135: All AP into MP

    Level 135:
    211 AP Resets to: -int +luk
    278 AP Resets to: -MP +HP

    489 AP Resets total
    7.824b total cost with AP Resets at 16m each

    [​IMG]

    But if you just continued what you're doing now, no MP washing, you'd have 10,366 HP at level 135

    Level 67-113: All AP into HP

    Level 135:
    196 AP Resets to: -int +luk
    228 AP Resets to: -MP +luk

    424 AP Resets total
    6.784b total cost with AP Resets at 16m each

    [​IMG]
     
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    The reason I am aiming for 12k by 135 is just because I don’t want to be leeching till 155 I would like to boss at 135 would it be possible to get to 12k at 155 without base int?
     
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    But with mp washing it’s -mp +hp? Don’t theifs do ap from
    Level into hp -mp+luk?
     
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    Getting 12k HP at level 155 with no base int, so a base int of 4, is definitely impossible.

    MP washing means you put fresh AP into MP and later use AP Resets to do: -MP +luk.

    HP washing for thieves you can use either level up AP or AP Reset AP.

    Level up AP HP Washing:
    +Fresh AP into HP
    AP Reset per Every Fresh AP in HP: -MP +luk

    AP Reset AP HP Washing:
    AP Reset: -MP +HP

    Fresh AP HP washing gain is 20-24
    AP Reset AP HP washing gain is 16-20

    So you can HP wash using AP Reset AP just fine. It only means you get 4 less HP per AP Reset AP HP wash.

    Using level up AP to HP wash is 22% cheaper than AP Reset AP as a result.

    This is why people say to use level up AP when washing thieves. It's not mandatory, just cheaper.

    In my calculations screenshotted above for you, I already calculated using level up AP as much as possible, so my calculations and subsequent instructions should be the cheapest, most efficient ways for you to achieve your HP washing goal.
     
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    Yeah having 4 int base would be impossible but I will still be wearing int equips which add 100
    Int would this be impossible?
     
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    So how come he could get to 12k at 150
    With less int ? This is starting to get really confusing
     
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    Because you want to have 12k HP at level 135 and the original poster wanted 12k HP at level 150. Your deadline so to speak for getting your goal HP is smaller than his, so you need more int to get the same MP because you have less time. And when I was calculating his 12k HP at level 150, I also accounted for the natural HP level up gains up to level 150. So he in fact needed less MP than you do because he had fewer HP washes needed. A level 150 NL has 4394 natural HP and a level 135 NL has 4063 natural HP. This means he had 331 HP naturally over you regarding your HP goal levels which means he needed 18 fewer HP washes and thus 216 fewer MP.
     
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    Yeah but he also mentioned he’s not planning on keeping the int past 135 am I wrong?
     
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    That's what he said, and I calced for him to stop leeching and therefore reset base int at level 150 since he didn't say to assume he's going to reset base int prior to this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     

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