Would HP washing ever be removed?

Let me start off by saying this. I do not think HP washing is a healthy and fun practice for maplestory.
HP washing in order to experience certain end game content is an incredible wall to overcome. leveling while HP washing needs you to have a supportive guild(not all of us do) or for random parties to put up with you until you reach your goal. I don't think that anybody should place themselves as a burden on others just so they can be viable end game.
I honestly just want to play maplestory the way it was meant to be played. leveling up, following the recommended stat adjustments, getting new better gear suitable for my level, and having fun killing mobs. HP washing should honestly be removed, just like many private servers have done already.

End of controversial opinion.

 

Yeah, I don't understand why this server is advertised and labeled as nostalgic when hp washing isn't nostalgic one bit. However, removing hp washing altogether will be unfair to all the people who've spent billions so far in the process. Maybe create a new world like Broa where hp washing is removed, although it would split the community.

 

I know that certain people have spent a lot of time HP washing, however, I think that toxic practices such as HP washing should be removed no doubt. I don't know how to compensate the people that did HP wash, but at this point i don't even feel like going on at level 64 knowing that i'll never be able to do certain bosses because i didn't wash, or didn't have time to wash. The best answer might just be "sucks but now you don't have to do it ever again"

 

HP washing has been around since maple opened in Beta. It just cost money and therefore wasn't popular. (so it's only "not nostalgic" because people didn't do. It's not new to private servers)

Removing HP washing would gimp certain classes from bossing till way later than they can now, and would require reworking massive parts of how AP works.

edit: For what it;s worth, all classes can boss at appropriate levels with HB. No class is barred from a boss fight where they could get exp (135 for zak, 155 for HT) because they don't wash. People just don't like having to bring HB. Toad is a seperate issue, but arguable small because it doesn't drop something so essential (HTP, Zak helm, etc), and there are other bosses that give good exp.

 

I agree with you; HP washing is not healthy nor fun (to fund, since I love the math involved, but I digress). However, it's not true that the HP washing mechanic means that new players are a burden. I think in most cases, the issue is fathoming the billions of meso needed to fund HP washing a character. I lament how it's practically necessary to either git gud at merching (difficult for those who aren't price savvy) or grind many, many hours selling leech for money.

Everyone has a different definition of how MapleStory was "meant" to be played. My friends in this game are extremely competitive and vie for the highest damage. Other people's friends Henehoe all day and talk with guild and alliance friends with no concern for their damage range. Maybe consider other private servers that have removed HP washing. The issue is their population, of course. So is the Royals community worth the hassle of HP washing for getting to endgame content? That's the question.

While it's technically true that any class CAN complete any boss run for their level (except Toad because lol good luck tanking 16k damage as an unfunded player), the reality is that HT runs with HB are uncommon, dare I say that they're even rare. Bringing warriors in general to HT is already suboptimal and slow the run down compared to if the party slot was taken by a NL, sair, BM, or MM. And on top of that, finding a DrK is harder than finding a hero because hero's weapon is cheaper and it's an easier class to boss with, hold down Brandish and do whatever, instead of having to micromanage HP levels like what DrKs have to do.

So basically, my advice to new players is grind a cleric, get to level 120 as a bishop, sell leech, make money to HP wash the class you ACTUALLY want to play, get that to level 135, and start Zakking and Krexing and making friends. A tedious and not fun process, but that's how it tends to play out for people here.

 

I agree except that I think making a FP mage and HS mule is better than Bishop if your only goal is to fund your attacker.

FP can sell Ulu 2 at level 130 with virtually zero funding, while Bishop need level 16x, Gene 20, and decent funding. In this time, FP will level much faster, be able to sell Petris, and eventually be able to sell their mage gear and 1h petris basically naked.

 

Not to mention FP level insanely fast, and that HS mule is useful for all occasions while leveling, that bishop will leech experience from every future toon you level.

 

I main a Hero, and only a Hero, that is now level 137 and washed to over 22k HP on my own. Granted, it's taken me about a year to get there, but that's also because I am slow and not extremely active.
It can be done on your own, with no outward help, it just takes more patience and dedication.

 

I completely agree with this. you put it into good words. essentially it's just an unnecessary burden on the players to spend way too much time on something that could be fixed by just giving players the right amount of HP they need from the start

 

I totally agree with you. It should be removed but I also don't agree because my ass already made a dumb bishop to help for washing my dumb NL. And now I'm kinda set on doing it.

 

Like others have already said, you can do almost all bosses at some point with HB, but the reality is that people here usually don't bother bringing HB; the problem isn't exactly HP washing but the mentality players have. Back in like 2006 GMS, people mainly played for fun and damage wasn't really on their mind as much as players nowadays and that applies to the players of Royals too. Players want optimal DPS (NLs/SE/Bish) and not having to bother with anything else such as bringing HB. I personally think HP washing is bad too, but I don't think removing it from Royals would be a good idea because just like you said, already a bunch of players have spent billions washing and others are playing AMs/Bish not out of interest for the class but with the goal to not just fund, but to wash a future character; removing it would be a huge slap in the face of all those people. As HP washing is a huge part of Royal's culture, removing it would destabilize the game. This doesn't even take into consideration how the dev/staff will have to think of ways to balancing HP/MP out since giving everyone 30k/30k wouldn't make sense either.

 

Hp washing has always been a stupid thing and the game was never balanced the correct way around hp gain. Its going to be here to stay because alternatives are very time consuming to figure out and could end up making the game worse. This is why Hp washing should be easier for existing and newer players so it isnt as much of a hassle as it should be for a lot of people.

 

Am I the only one who enjoyed HP washing?

I found it exciting doing the calculations to HP wash my Drk + Hero + NL.

I enjoy seeing that beautiful 30k HP (with HB) on my Drk.

I felt invincible in Horntail on my Hero after I finished washing. It was awesome being able to tank seduce without a Bishop! #rippowerguard

I found it orgasmic when I finally reset 700 AP I had invested into INT and MP back into LUK for my NL at 140!

 

Not a fan of hp washing since it hurts class variety by allowing low hp classes to be tanks and lessens the value of the actual tanks. Sure it takes a lot of money and time, but the option for ranged classes to get tankier is available. If you want to fight ht or toad as a ranged class you have the option to with enough money. Good luck to warriors who want to try showa bosses cause they're useless in those fights, no range and accuracy washing.

It really makes no sense why hp isn't revoked when you reset it, but nexon kept it the way it was to make money and most royals players think it's unfair for ranged classes to rely on hb at end game bosses so that's why we have hp wash. It's been going on for years, there's no fix to it unless the developers gut our characters hard or completely change the game.

 

If removing HP washing isn't an option, then would it be possible to get a reduction of boss damage? Reduce the weapon attack and magic attack of bosses, lowering the minimum HP requirement for ranged classes.

 

Yes, possible, but that's not the usual norm around in our server, sadly. Most parties want washed NL/BM in their parties, and 30k hp Hero is usually preferred over a DrK. Finding a random party that wants you outside of the aforementioned requirements is really hard. And let's be realistic, nobody is going to train until lv170 or 180+ just to have enough hp to start HTing, if zero washing is done.

 

I don't know about you but personally where I come from (MapleSEA), HP washing is a huge part of the nostalgia as all I could afford as a young teen those days were like 20 AP resets or so. AP resets basically cost like $20 for 5 there and it was in no way affordable for players. At least here, it's achievable just by putting in work grinding, farming and stuff.

 

HP washing is definitely a challenging part of the game mechanics, but I think it is little different from trying to achieve the perfect end game weapon or equipments. It is all about grinding and/or merching