Would HP washing ever be removed?

Very late night block of text incoming

Thinking out loud here people. I was talking to someone about HP washing and I had an idea. Would people feel better about HP washing is the majority of the cost was focused on resetting MP-->HP? Would people feel better about washing if it cost substantially less to get a character back to a "playable" state that isn't bogged down by several hundred INT?

Maybe, a drastically reduced cost for an AP reset that allows movement between STR, DEX, INT, LUK, and MP. <-- Maybe the kind that get sold by Albert and allow you to fix a character you miss applied AP to, or to allow ease of MP washing? A MPAP if you will.

But keep resets that allow MP-->HP at market value? A HPAP

I'm just curious, like, would that make HP washing less of a daunting task for people? I don't know how everyone else feels, but I'd be much happier grinding out 15-20b to HP wash a toon over the course of a couple dozen levels than farming the money on my mage just to reset int and finish MP washing (My bucc currently needs 7b to finish MP washing and reset INT, no HP washing)

I also understand this would kind of gimp all people who washed in the past (myself included), but maybe, going forward this would help new people and stuff? I don't know. I'm ranting.

 

Technically true. It would also be burdensome because of transferring and muling items, and not go over very well.

 

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I think that using mesos to raise your HP, just like using mesos to raise you damage, is a good mechanic in this game - but with the current system, it cannot be fairly compared. Imo the problem isn't that HP washing is expensive; im not expecting to get 30k HP without working for it, just like im not expecting to get a perfect weapon without working for it. HP washing is a problem as it is, because it breaks a very fundamental idea in MMO type games like Maplestory. In Maplestory, the game should be a journey; you should go in whatever direction and in whatever pace you would like. You start off as a low level - you meet friends, you join guilds, you PQ and generally just experience the world. If you put in a lot of hours, you might start to find other aspects interesting (bossing, damage and moneymaking). At this point, you might be thinking of making that perfect weapon, and you can start to work towards it. This is where HP washing fails. Say im at a point in my "journey", where im fine with my damage, but want to increase my HP, i would just "start to work towards it" too, right? Too late, at this point, my HP goals are probably unrealistic - i didn't level with 300+ INT.

When i scroll trough the forum section "Help and advice", i see a lot of threads with a very sad question "Is it too late to wash?". When i found this private server, i also found the MapleRoyals youtuber @darkjordanx. He's got 71 episodes of him progressing trough Maplestory, in the "old school" way, which i enjoyed watching while being on the same path. Then one day, he makes a video with the title "Should i restart (name of he's character)", where he faces the sad truth, that the character he leveled and enjoyed, wouldn't be able to do late-game content without going in a GIANT dept of mesos. He decides to reroll the character, so he can level it with INT. This is also the story of my MapleRoyals journey.

In my perfect world, HP washing would still exist. Having high HP could be bought with mesos, and would be a luxury obtained with hard work. But being able to HP wash, shouldn't ruin the Maplestory experience. You should be able to make a character, and level it with no concern of INT items, base INT and such, and still one day be able to reach 30k HP. Again, this would of course take ALOT of mesos, but it would be possible. Silly idea on top of my head: Have a consumable item that gives a little bit of extra MaxMP. If i leveled a character to 200, with no INT, i could grind and grind and grind, and someday buy enough of these consumables, to get a giant MP pool, which i could then wash to HP. Of course, there's other ways of doing this, and i would love to hear others opinions on it

 

I agree that the current way of HP washing is pretty weird, and it's almost impossible to properly hp wash your first character. Because of this, I've been going through the game with the mindset of knowing that I'll have to make another character after this one, and this one will get trashed. I like that your plan also helps counter inflation because now everyone can HP wash. A lot of people feel intimidated by the idea and don't want to do the math. I'm surprised more private servers don't fix this problem to make the game more enjoyable for everyone.

 

I'd like to point one thing from the updated GMS:

• Every class has high HP/MP.
• Every class has high Speed/Jump.
• Every class has a "Flash Jump" skill.

BUT:
Mobs are stronger (Higher defense, health and attack damage)
Bosses doesn't do static damage (aka the same damage all the time)
Instead, bosses do equivalent damage, independent to the HP the player has
If you go to Zakum with 5k HP, it will leave you with 100 HP after a skill.
If you go to Zakum with 10k HP, it will leave you with 100 HP after a skill.
That way, washing would be pointless at all.

No, I don't want it to be done here. That mechanich SUX_CK

I believe that HP Wash is a optional feature that nobody is needed to do.
It makes your end-game easy by making your early game hard.
If you want your early game easy, your end game will be hard.

If you want to start off with a Night Lord, without HP washing, and go to HT, you will need HB or HP Equips.
That's your choise, it's not like the game has to bend over what you think would be the best for you.

I HP-Washed my MM, not because I NEED to, but because I don't want to get killed too soon in a boss and waste time.
I plan to make a Shadower in the future (the job I like most in the game), and I plan to HP-Wash it too.
It's not because I did it that you have to do it too, it's your choice.

Many people in this topic say that HP-Washing kills the early game (aka grinding, PQing, etc)
In my opinion, that's the worst part of the game.
Takes hours to get a level by yourself grinding a lv50 char.
I don't have time for that, I want to skip it and get the fun at bossing.

 

It's not about making early game "hard". it's about making early game unfun. why can't i play through the game and have a enjoyable experience the whole way through? why do I have to make a decision on which half of my journey is going to suck? is that really how game mechanics are intended to be? also not all of us have money to spend on HP washing. you talk about early game as if ANYBODY can just skip it. the new player experience is horrible in it's current state for the sole reason of HP washing. either you are going full INT and relying on randoms, or you are carrying full INT HP washers. don't even get me started on leeching prices. "Skipping" early game and going straight to bossing is a privilege for the rich.

 

Not HP Washing doesn't mean you won't have a good game experience, neither means you can't do the end game stuff.
HP Washing just makes the end game easier for those who do it compared to those who don't do it.

 

Privilege being they're not new players and therefore have probably saved up the money to do as they please?

No one has to wash, and the mistake is people thinking they have to. I made a post above about drastically cutting the cost of AP resets to do a large "chunk" of the washing process while maintaining playable levels before 135/155.

 

Probably a dumb idea but...

What if Bishop skill "Bless" was changed to give like a boost of 40% hpmp or something? Like a mini-hb. Since all boss runs have a Bishop, I think. This would help those less funded who don't wash much. Also make the skill such that if there is a Dark Knight around, the higher % skill would take effect, i.e. hb.

This wouldn't cause Dark Knight to be less favourable in runs neither as they can still deal insane amount of damage with berserk.

And also wouldn't affect those who already washed a lot since they will have enough hp either way.

I donno, just my thoughts

 

okay, i get that they are not new players, and have money to spend, but the expectation that new players should have to work so much harder while later players can literally pay to have the game played for them is absurd. It honestly takes them out of the reality of the new player experience and they forget what it's like. When one person describes a good game, do they usually say something like "I was having fun but then I realized that i made my character completely wrong so i had to restart from the beginning." or "you see you don't actually have the right amount of health to do the content at a reasonable level, so you have to grind and spend a bunch of money in order to lower some other stats in order to survive a single hit"

 

They worked just as hard though, they were once new players who went through the same thing.

What you want is washing to become obsolete, but.... that doesn't make anything easier really. Sure, no one can wash, and now to get a zakum helm at 50, you need HP equips. Bossing groups will be significantly larger and less frequent to accommodate, which means prices for books will probably go up and less exp so people level slower.

All because new players see this impassable wall of HP washing, which, again, is not mandatory. Prices may have gone up, which sucks, but that price increase effects everyone. If anything, new players after they hit 50 are going to make more money selling resets than older players who got by the same way did.

 

You see, you keep saying HP washing isn't mandatory, but as a ranger soon to be BM, literally the only thing people say is that I have to HP wash. what class do you play that doesn't require HP washing? are you tell me to change to a class that I enjoy less so I don't have to HP wash? HP washing is an archaic mechanic which Nexon kept around in lieu of a real solution because it made them absurd amounts of money. It's an arbitrary wall to keep the game going instead of real content. It's like the day 1 DLC of game mechanics.

 

Just because you need HB doesn't mean you need to wash.

 

This doesn't change the fact that the entire meta seems to be revolved around HP washing. for something that you seem to be so adamant that "nobody needs to HP wash", everybody else sure seems to think so. If it was so unnecessary then surely it wouldn't be almost the entire meta of the server.

 

In Horntail, it is pretty difficult to survive if you have to rely only on HB. You get dispelled from Black Wyverns and later from Head B. If you get unlucky you could die instantly. Dispel is partly what makes Bishop one of the hardest classes during HT, and they spam magic guard to minimize their vulnerability. At the very least, you would need good friends who are willing to put up with you if you are unwashed.

So, while HB is technically not required, it is "effectively" a requirement if you are serious about playing your character in the end game without burdening everyone around you.

(What someone already said about HB being infeasible)

 

So, it's not required to wash.

The game has a built in mechanic so you can boss without washing, it's just difficult. That's categorically different than needing to wash.

It's an end-game boss... it shouldn't be easy.

 

difficulty is one thing. everybody likes a difficult boss. A boss that is damn near impossible without HP washing is another. HP washing should not be the standard.
difficulty≠virtual impossibility. If you've already HP washed and you don't want it to go away because of the time and money you spent, then that is a pretty selfish view on balancing the game. I honestly don't even want HP washing to go away, but I do want it to be something that is far more accessible. It shouldn't take billions of mesos, or hundreds of days of consecutive voting just to be able to fight an end game boss.

 

HT was very doable without washing on GMS (I mained a MM and our guild did not wash and we were one of the top HT killers in Broa, before someone says all the elite players in GMS washed). Additionally I proposed a fix to drastically cut the cost (you might have missed this, I also mentioned it once in a later post). Additionally 2.0, my previous washing is irrelevant because I am washing a paladin and a bucc (2 classes that require no washing to boss and I do so purely because it makes training easier and is a personal achievement). The insinuation that people only want to keep washing the way it is because of previous expenditures is... short sighted. Most of the classes that have the most pressure to wash are also ideal bossing classes. If you don't want to require HB at bosses then you have to make sacrifices. If new players want to play a NL or BM and don't want to wash, they do not have to. No matter how you spin it.

I really have nothing else to say on the matter.

 

If a teenager or young adult decides he wants to be a doctor, he might say, "I need to go to medical school".
But then, one could argue, "Well, actually, you don't need to go to medical school. You could just move to a third world country, buy a hut, and start your own practice there. No license required!"

Likewise someone who wants to be a strong bosser might say, "I need to restart my level 70 NL, make a mage, and hp wash my new NL".
And again, someone could argue, "Man, you don't need to do anything. If you want to be a strong bosser and do HTs without washing, just get HB bro!!"