Mark of Naricain vs. Horntail Pendant

Well some people chaosed dep stars too and now they are worthless with htp released lol

 

Why not keep MoN how it originally was and allow us to have 2 pendant slots like in GMS?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the initial intention was to release a nerfed MoN which was unaffected by the godly system to ensure htp's remain the best pendants.

 

Not agreeing with what he said but in the case of HTP it’s not something new, just something that was broken and needed to be fix; it was expected to come back. While in the case of MoN, it would be something new to Royals.

 

I honestly don’t see how you can compare a deputy star with an htp or MoN. Just because some real world traders decided to chaos a deputy star just for lolz doesn’t mean is profitable nor that it will be better than an egged htp. Sorry not sorry

 

If they're planning to release CWKPQ, I'd say leave MoN the way it is, but do not apply Godly System into it.
It wouldn't be OP compared to a godly HTP, but would still be worth fighting the PQ for.

Someone said about Targa and Scar being OP, how come?
They're only +2 for one stat above Zakum helmet.
Instead of a 22/22 you'd get a 24/22 on a perfect loot (wooow OP)

And PB will be released, but in a far future, but probably without it's regular drops (Timeless and Reverse)

 

A clean MoN beats 28/28 htp for almost all of the classes except mages and shadowers , I don't see how it's not OP .

I respect your opinion , but some people have killed Zakum for a few months until they got themselves a godly helm to perfect , so a few stats do matter in my opinion , especially when it's a lot easier than Zakum.

 

I don't have a problem with Scar/tar. They're only a tiny bit better stats than a Zhelm, and if I remember correctly, only like 1 or 2 drop per run? Also, I think you have to be HP washed, doesn't final body hit around 7-8k damage? It's been years since I've done them, back in 2012 i think. So i might be remembering them wrong. I know we had to take 3 of our best attackers from the guild to down it and a bishop. Then we would bring along 2 looters until our entire guild had them.

 

I didn't say it's not better, I said it's not Over Powered.
Isn't 1atk equivalent to 5 stats?
10 atk would be next to 50 stats
Also HTP has the possibility to be Chaos'ed for a possible +10 extra stats (yes, a lot of luck involved) while MoN has no slots.

And I don't see how +2 stats could break the game either, we need more bosses to fight, the game gets boring when you do the same shit all the day.
And Zakum won't be left alone, you still need the books from it, and the EXP is better.

Edit:
I brought some information for a comparative on Zakum and Scar/Targa:

Zakum
Total HP: 456.800.000
Total EXP: 14.750.400 (x3.2 for royals)
(0.032 exp/hp)
Drops 3-4 Helmets, also Books and Lv100 equips.

Scarlion / Targa
Total HP: 300.000.000 - Each
Total EXP: 2.016.000 (x3.2 for royals) - Each
(0.006 exp/hp)
Drops 2-4 Helmets (if you kill both) and Lv100 equips.

 

With an average - decent attack gear 1 att worth more than 5 stat (6.6 for my NL for example) , also I believe a clean MoN can go up to 12att and it also has base stats (5/5/5/5 I think).
Also , bear in mind that the odds to get this kind of htp are very small and require a lot of runs , while MoN takes 1-3 pqs if you are unlucky .

I support the idea of more bosses , as someone who has been playing for 4 years , it really gets boring sometimes and repeatable , but also a nerf to the helms to make it at least like zhelms.

 

Do you know the damage on scar/tar? I remember it hit pretty hard on my hero. But no one washed on there so I only had 13k hp at lvl 150

 

MoN is 4~6 stats and 9~11 att/matt
What if they lower the drop rate of it to make it rare like MW20
And is it untradeable? If not, should be. (hs-net doesn't say it)

I remember they used to hit hard, but not sure how much it was.

 

htp might have up to 56 stats but 28dex =/= 28 luk, combined it's like 33 luk => 6.6 att according to your lowball 5stats = 1att which isn't really accurate too.. not nerfed MoN without godly item system might be 2 time better than htp.
look at my comparisons in the previous page - MoN is overpowered no doubt, the question is whether it's ok or not - if pink bean is released it'll be a little less impossible with not nerfed MoN.
in the original pq iirc it used to drop 100% from each boss so i'm not sure about lowering drop rate, 4 bosses - 4 MoN's 10 members..

 

Secondary stats can be equal to primary if you have base stats to reset tho. Even better if...

Lowering the drop rate would be awesome, if possible.
People would HAVE to go in multiple runs to try to get one.

Another way to make it hard to get them, would be limit the times you can do it, like Bosses.

 

MoN was always better for attacking class minus mages and perhaps Shadowers.

*note* the MoN was tradable on release, was later made untradable, and if I remember correctly because of this the attack was bumped to 10 (give or take) and I don't think you could chaos it.

Also, the PQ requires 2 of every class, which means people (looking at you MinMaxing HT'ers) won't be able to rush it with NL and mules because the mules might survive but won't be able to do the PQ otherwise.

For these reasons, I think the MoN should stay untradable, and give the better stats. Bossing shouldn't be the only means to end game items. IMO. A high level PQ (for MoN) and an event chaos-able (the scarf) should be able to come close. Either way, Mages will still want HTP, and HT will still drop books people want and need.

edit: the PQ also dropped 4 MoN, plus the other items (Spec Goggles, etc), and I see no reason to change that either. The PQ is a lot more involved than simply killing a boss

 

pink bean won't be a thing, stop hoping for that.

 

We need other end game stuff to do. High level pq runs should definitely be apart of end game. As for the pedent it's fine the way it is, so what if 1 piece of gear from a high level PQ is good? It'll help people who aren't strong enough to get into HT parties, it will increase guild and ally runs (cause not everyone will be guaranteed a MoN so it's gonna be rough for random parties) not to mention you could sell carries for it. Plus it gives other classes a use for once

 

The people who don't want scar/tar or MoN, or want it nerfed come off as a bit elitist to be honest lol...

Are you afraid you won't have the best gear anymore and have such an advantage over normal players in terms of dps? You have the same chance to get the gear as everyone else. And it will help everyone equally. It's not like people are gonna stop doing HT or Zak.

 

Just found this pic, so yea, apparently he hits up to 8.4k damage on the last body. Range attacks around 7.5k. So most people would actually struggle with these two

 

Another thing about scar and targa.
They're weak to ice/fire, what could make it a boss for mages to fight more effectivelly.