AP Resets' price changed equivalent the NX:Meso proportions. A year ago you could buy NX from players for 1:3, now it's 1:5. Matt said players are getting more mesos than before. For me, the reason is: People make mages to leech people to get mesos to buy APs. APs are twice as expensive, so leech is twice as expensive (petris a year ago was max 70m/h now it's 120m/h) Since leech is twice as expensive, some retired mages are back to leeching (to get that mesos) More mages leeching people equals to more NPC'ed equips from leeching places. This equation has only one way: keep raising.
I want to agree with Matt only on a couple points, yes you have been banning ALOT of vote abusers lately which unfortunately has a negative Effect on the price of AP resets and yes the lvl 50 req. has also drastically increased prices. As I have said before selling them through an npc SHOULD NOT be considered. A static price is a great meso sink yes, but will cause many problems with gach items and scrolls. Simply reducing the prices of ap resets to around 1k nx per reset would be a significant way to decrease the prices of many scrolls and equips which is negatively effecting the economy. This is not a problem with more mesos being introduced into the system, that eventually will solve itself because meso sinks have just been recently introduced. The only reason there is so much currency you see floating around is because there were no meso sinks for months after the new source was released. Drop rates are only slightly different from old source especially for skillbooks but overall I do not see much of a difference with equips. This is simply an NX problem, the amount of nx you receive is not even close to enough to keep up with how fast you are able to lvl on a 3.2x server if you are looking to buy ap resets. Washing is a luxury many say (although I disagree) but washing should be accessible to just about anyone because its become a main part of our economy even though its not very nostalgic.With a simple nx price decrease on ap resets players could easily buy their own resets or instead choose to gach. At the current rate nx sells for about 4m per 1k which means ap resets should only be around 12.1 mill each yet are valued at 4 mill more, if their prices were reduced to 1k nx they would then be adjusted to cost around 8m exactly what they were near the end of old source. As it currently stands the level 50 req. will probably not be reversed, vote abusers will continue to be banned so therefore prices will continue to either increase or stay where they are. Please consider this option or maybe even consider increasing NX per vote as it currently stands I can only buy 2 1/2 ap resets with 1 days worth of voting It took me 3 weeks to reach lvl 124 on my Hero, I have over 50 ap saved up because I cannot keep up with the current prices of ap in nx and cannot afford the prices that they are right now especially with the increasing cost of int gear due to int scroll price increases, by the time I have enough nx to get 50 resets I would have to have voted for almost 20 days to just maintain my ability points for washing. Those next 20 days I will probably have reached 140+ which I probably will because I grind alot and love training. This means I will possibly accumulate another 80+ ap on my hero, now selling equips on a hero is a possibility yes but the amount of equips I earn per hour compared to a mage barley covers potion costs let alone buying resets this makes me just turned off too the whole Idea of washing in the first place and I kind of want to give up on the whole process altogether. Either this sever decides to remove washing which probably wouldn't be fun for anyone or decides to make it available to almost anyone. I will say that boss nx drops have helped but in a very minuscule way because the main source of resets came from people who were vote abusers that had mule accounts under level 50 all of which are getting banned recently.
I'm curious as to why you believe that reducing gach item prices is bad for the economy. In my opinion I think it's healthy considering how high ws/cs/int scroll prices are..
Sorry maybe you misunderstood the sentence I may have worded it poorly, Im saying that reducing the nx prices of resets would be a good way to decrease the prices of gach scrolls/items, which in its current state is negatively effecting the economy due to the insane prices these items/scrolls are in their current state.
No because then everything would be poured into gach, thus effecting the prices so much on gached items/scrolls that it would decrease the prices to a point which would negatively effect the economy. Godly equips should be expensive, but with a huge influx of many of the valuable items being poured into the economy because everyone just spends nx on gaching would make these things too easy for everyone to obtain. Edit: This is why I believe reducing the nx prices of Ap resets would help to reduce costs of both gached items/scrolls and resets. This would put a healthy supply of gached items into the system and not overdue it if they were sold from an NPC, making these things still valuable but not to the extent of what they are right now.
+1 mate, good discussion! I also think that this is a reasonable alternative to making AP Resets a meso sink. I truly don't believe that meso inflation is nearly as big of a problem as it has been made out to be, as the last statistics posted about meso injection seemed to confirm that the current best meso generation rate at Ulu1/Ulu2 is not more than the old source best meso generation rate at Gobies. I could easily speculate that more mesos are coming into the market right now as Matt has stated is the case is thanks to last update's wonderful releases of our end-game boss and an important seasonal event, resulting in more players are playing. I have never actually truly liked the idea of AP Resets being sold from a merchant as a meso sink for the above reason - something just did need to be done to control the problem, and having them from Albert is something, at the very least. I support a lowered NX cost of AP Resets more than them being sold by Albert.
I think the meso sink from NPC selling ap resets will lower the prices of everything, including the gachapon scrolls, so players will still be motivated to use their nx for ap resets as it will still have a decent value => gached items' supply will stay the same. the key is finding the correct ap reset price, maybe 12m?
why not both? tp rocks, fast travel tickets, hair style coupons(I think), megaphones, owls are available for both, I don't see why ap resets shouldn't be?
Back when the regular TP Rocks would work for anywhere, many people used to buy them for NX. Now that they work the way they should, they're useless XD
I think there still should be an option to have them from cs and NPC, as I believe even if added into npc it will be at least 8m+ each, not everyone wants to spend such money and should have a choice of buying them for nx. Ofc they will probably get most from npc but it still should be available to help yourself and get some for nx on the same time.
I personally think having them in both is fine. As I mentioned before, putting them at 15m or so would be overpriced considering old source prices. People who are desperate could buy it for 15m, but sellers would still sell for like 12m. It would incentivize more gaching as well if we implemented this since the profit margin is smaller and provide a much needed meso sink. Also, I don't think reducing the nx price of AP resets would help tbh, I feel like it would only push people to sell more ap resets than to gach, which would decrease the supply even more. With the numerous changes implemented (needing at least 9.9k to HT safely without HB, people wanting to wash so they can toad as it can be dangerous for DKs and therefore not as highly sought out as a boss for example) the demand is just too high imo to fix it by lowering the cost of AP resets.
My issue with AP you are really limited to what you can play, i want to make a assasin but when i look at the aspect of how much it would cost to hp wash and strugling to actualy buy that many ap resets is a punch in the u know what. Im all for them bein sold by albert, it would make the game more enjoyable for ppl who cant farm 24/7 unlike some people
If they're sold in both I can actually see good utility in pricing the AP resets in mesoes as a way to cap over inflation
Its not gonna make meso farming easier but its (for me gonna make me wanna farm meso) because i know there is a constant supply of them.and when i get 1bil coins i kniw i can go to albert and purchase them without having to hassle a price or find someone who is selling 5-10 at a time.I mean alot of vote abusers have been banned and the supply of aps has gone down tremendously.
I'd like to bring this up. AP Resets for 9~10m back then Leech for 70m = 7~8 APs WS/CS for 300m = 30~32 APs AP Resets for 15~16m now Leech for 120m = 7~8 APs WS/CS for 480m = 30~32 APs Everything changed because of AP Resets. The Bill Coin didn't change anything, we need the APs to get back to their original price.
If everything goes up, then nothing changed, You gach a WS, you get the same number of resets, and if you save NX, you need the same amount of NX to get a WS or CS as you did before. Also, the coins hope of lowering prices was secondary to allowing large meso trades safety and allowing storage of mesos on one character instead of needing dedicated mules. edit: fwiw, Nessi is right, and actively avoiding taxes because of greed (hate to say it, that's literally it) means less mesos are leaving the server than they should be, and I'd argue its part of the issue.
I think you are mixing between cause and effect . Everything is higher now , including ap resets , because peoole have too much meso imo.
It's only "ok" for those who buy APs, Leech or get lucky with ws/cs. All the other aspects of the market (finding good drops, selling regular scrolls, grinding, etc) are still the same (or worse).
Lol I'm sorry, but can you stop. The points you're making, whilst in favor of my suggestion, are often wildly offbase and it's hella triggering. This has nothing to do with anything, and, also, your leech prices are incredibly arbitrary - even while AP resets were 9-10m 4-5months ago, CS were still hovering at 400-420. I still feel that my previous wall on this thread in response to Matt is the only thing that needs to be said about this issue.
