Would HP washing ever be removed?

Hey man we all gotta do it. Makes it more challenging. Work your ass off or leech off your homies. I'd go with #2

 

While I am amused by your nonchalant vibe and appreciate your use of the word homie, I disagree that HP washing makes the game more challenging.

Washing makes it so people can AFK and watch Netflix at Horntail with their washed NL and sed mule, ruining the only somewhat difficult content in the entire game. Is this challenging to you? The only "challenge" HP washing adds is an artifical grinding prerequisite that was not in original Maplestory. Hp washing also ruins class balance, creates a barrier of entry to new players, and renders the majority of training maps uninhabited and other pre-4th job content completely obsolete.

While I like that HP washing rewards players for planning their character, the previously mentioned cons heavily outweigh this single pro. If anyone can name another positive aspect of HP washing, or disagrees with my points on why it is bad, please share.

 

I agree. Looking back on my statement I do agree that a lot of people do afk. I guess it's different for everyone. Some people like afking during bosses hence why they make NL's and BM's lol (sorry not sorry) but yeah man your points are very valid none the less.
#stayblezzed

 

Most of us here are grown up and don't get wowed by the game anymore. It's like growing out of certain kid programs but living in a household where you have kids that still find those programs magical. Don't come burst their fucking bubble and tell them that it's bullshit and that later on real life is full of pain and is less colour and more black and white (what HP washers are telling people). But at the same time the others shouldn't discredit the grind and work put in by the other folk to make this shit possible for you (what anti-HP washers are telling you). Coz if no1 HP washed then we would all be stressed at boss runs and half our skill books and so on may not even exist. But if everyone HP washed we would also be stressed coz what the fuck would early game content be for? Might as well start the game at level 13fucking5.

#fuckingafkmaplefuckingstory

Btw nostalgia got thrown the fuck out the window because no1 in the original MS levelled this fast and had content thrown in their face this quick. A balance of viable options needs to be maintained. I personally believe it should NOT be impossible to increase your HP or MP endgame if you haven't done so already. But it needs to be done in a way that doesn't negate the stress of skipping the damn game in the first place because right now everyone is just crying for their opinion and each argument has valid points so just leave this shit bang in the middle and find a way to address it. Here's looking at you, @Matt

My personal opinion is something needs to be fucking done. I'm waiting for mid game content so I can see just how many people come out the wood works to actually grind themselves. I fucking hate how I used to stand around all fucking day looking for grind mates while everyone is just buying leech. I didn't even HP wash some characters.. What the fuck would I be buying leech for?! And the one or two I did somehow encounter were weak as fuck new players who did chicken shit damage and ended up making grinding a bit slower. The issue here is anyone with a bit of money believes that it should be spent on washing. Why is that the sole focus???? You know what I can't be bothered just bring out content for those who don't give a fuck we will give HP washers the bosses and you can give us who don't give two shits about it the PQs and other shit.

There would be less people complaining about hp washing if there was more content because the current focus on bossing emphasizes having a bigger HP pool. Well what if the emphasis was on something that required more coordination than HP? Like a PQ?

Bring out more fucking content for people who don't exactly have the prime requirements for modern day HP meta bossing and everyone else stop crying. If there was more to do you wouldn't be crying so hard.

#angry

 

I don't mind if it stays.

I'm one of those players who don't want to get leeched. For me, about 80% of my fun of playing Maple is experiencing the growth of my character and leveling them up by my self (or in partyplay/PQ). I've played countless classes to high levels and yet, every now and then I get the urge to level up something again. During leveling and after it, scrolling etc is a huge fun aspect aswell! I'm not too fond of bossing after doing it too much, and often I find myself getting bored of the game when I do reach the ''daily boss grind'' level/gear requirement.

Thus, I'm not someone who would hp wash simply because I love experiencing the whole game, not just the bossing because I've done that enough and concluded if that is the only thing I'd do, I'd quit in one day. I don't judge people who do hp wash and want to do it, though. I understand it's a different way to enjoy the game - only the bossing aspect of the game and playing classes you might not enjoy to fund yourself to do that.

 

Don't know if its possible or not but what about changing the INT : ExtraMP ratio for equipment only. This would mean base INT would still reward players 10:1 (so mages don't get 30k mp that soon) but equips could be like 5:1, 10:3 or something. I haven't given enough thought to this idea to do the math as I'm kinda busy but yeah, you get my point.

Pros:

New players could get extra MP by purchasing a few items you'd expect them to go for anyway (Zhelm, Dep Star, HT pendant). This would mean they'd still be able to wash at least some MP even when they knew nothing about washing in the first place.

More low level content.

Cons:

Mages get a lot of MP. Would be really hard for them to die unless they forget to use MG.

 

INT scrolls gonna skyrocket. As a player who main a bishop and frequently plays archmage... please no, don't do this to us T-T

 

They could... or maybe not. If you think about it:

Yes, I'm proposing to make them much more useful and convenient so its reasonable to think they'd go up in price. However, INT scrolled items are the meta anyway. They are already expensive (the most expensive) so in reality, how much could they go up? Also, keeping in mind you wouldn't need much INT to reach your goals. I don't know, prices could go up at first but I don't think it would change much after two weeks or something.

 

You underestimated the demand of the market. Just take the price of mithril ore/plate for example, and compare them before and after HT makes its return on last Christmas patch.

 

Meh, I'm just saying it won't be too bad. Mithril ores are expensive cause nobody hunts mobs that drop em. Even if you're right, personally I wouldn't mind even when I main mage classes. I'd rather see people playing the game like it was intended. To me at least, it completely outweights pricey int scrolls.

 

I gotta agree with OP on this one, HP washing isn't a challenge, it's just about having mesos to pay someone else do the entire earlygame for you while your character is useless in terms of damage output. I also think removing it would improve class variety somewhat.

 

Man, i see people talking 5b, 'few 10b', 40b.... You know 99% of people with a regular playing style not funded by friends wont get those figures right?

This game is currently broken (economy essentially), thats why i stopped playing it. Its not the players fault, but you got to understand for the new players (or rookies) it's hard to really try anything since they will never be anywhere competitive comparing to what they see in the forum (gears and mesos related), and also, they cant even build a Char properly.

bai

 

I was able to HP wash a NL in January and I'm washing a BM now. Leeching it with my FP. I only started playing in late November. No one has given me any gear or helped me out. Unless you include doing Zak runs with my guildmates.

You can easily make a bil a week just selling leech for a hour a day. That's pretty casual... I'm sure most players do a bit more than a hour a day playing games.

 

7 days per week × 1 hour per day = around 7 hours per week (roughly, depends on if your week is 5 days or maybe 8)
1.000.000.000 / 7 hours = 143m per hour

Quick maths


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When I sold at petris it was 150 Mil an hour. Also, you npc the drops, easy 25-30mil. Drops at Ulu2 are even more frequent and worth more. I made bil in a week there just leeching my own bowman and npcing drops.

Also, most people do more than 1 hour a day as I said. If you're even thinking about doing Zak and krex you have to put in more than an hour a day just to get runs done, not to mention organising a party.

 

My view:

HP wash breaks the game for 2 reasons:

1. You need money for it and you need money when you start the character: This makes EVERYONE starts with Bishop/Mages for that sweet area skill so they can sell leech to people and get money for their funding. This makes a game where EVERYONE that starts feel "obligated" to start with a mage for funding. No one is encoraged to play any other class because they think will be "endgame obsolete" because of their lack of HP. Why invest in something you will have to dispose?

2. When you get your money you have to level, but you don't have damage because now you are a literal smartass with 400 raw int. This creates the useless people at party quests and the horde of people paying absurds for leech(Paying those above at 1). Nobody is playing 0-120 right now because of this.


IMO the solution is not to kill HP wash, but to make it possible to do at ANY level. That way people can play normally the game and whey they need they can buy their HP.

But how the hell can we do that?

One thing that could happen is a NPC that gives you raw HP for money. It could be 1:1 price with actual washing(So lets imagine you need 6b in order to gain 3000 HP, make it cost 1b coin for 500+ HP), maybe requiring a quest with AP resets so the market would not die instantly but since its an usable who cares, atleast it would make new players gacha instead of selling those pesky things. Unfortuatly the market of INT itens would die, but many mages still use those itens, so they wont become worthless. Maybe make the service exponentially costly to balance things(So people wont buy 30kHP so easily)

This way people would play normally the game, being able to kill monsters and to stop with the mage cosplay until high levels, where they could gather money and pay for their HP to handle endgame stuff.

But why do I care I'm only here for the henehoing

 

HP washing is stupid and NOT nostalgic because (at least on ems) there was maybe 1% of the playerbase who did it cus you needed stupid amounts of real life $$$ to do it. I was forced to quit my my sin at around 6x because I found out by that time hp washing was needed as a night lord on this server and when you're new, you are nowhere near having the recources to hp wash. Hell, I still don't have the recources for it.

 

So pretty much everyone here hates Tiger, lmao. Truly left a mark on this game, even till now...

 

Just incase you guys missed the recent update that came out, I'll link the relevant parts for you

This thread was started ~7 months ago, so a lot has changed since.