request to give back armor crash to heroes

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  1. EZFebreezy
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    The drk/hero skill buff was the one of the first things I noticed. I'm sure it was true of other people. Perhaps it's time to stop being so secretive about everything that's happening to the server.
     
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    I was the first person to respond after Matt listed all of the proposed changes and I said something about Hero's crash skill. I don't remember my exact words but you can easily verify this by searching it up on Discord in the source channel.
     
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    The whole thing was brought up to everyone. It may have been laid out by admins, but again, no one mentioned a problem with the switch w/ hero and DrK. It was there to be discussed, but it wasn't an issue till now. So I have no idea how much the non-admin staffs input would have had on it, it wasn't a part of the discussion. Again, from rereading the discussion, almost all of it was on how pallys were getting a boost and the thought was it was unfair that heroes weren't getting the same boost.


    I'm looking but I don't see anything. If another staff wants to look as well they can, but from what I'm reading, the hero/DK switch wasn't a problem. It honestly seems like a small thing, I don't see why the two couldn't be switched now and give the DrK the ability to cancel magic cancel

    Edit: I found it. You suggested giving both hero and DrK the skill, I dont see any follow up from anyone on it though. My eyes hurt.. lol
     
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    If I were to guess why it went down the way it did:

    White Knights got the Weapon Cancel buff because they needed a leg up, which made the most sense with the Blue "Armor Crash" animation.
    Switching around, Crusaders were given the Green "Magic Crash" animation, and following that theme they got the ability to negate the Magic Cancel buff.
    and for Dragon Knights, since there's no other major buffs to negate, they got the ability to negate all smaller defense & attack buffs (Which I thought were very inconsequential, but are apparently not?)

    That's how I would have done it anyway. Though I do miss my green beam of light.
     
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    Ah yeah I just saw it. That was like the only time it was brought though.. I'm going to keep reading through the chat though.
     
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    lol wtf is going on
     
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    Who even thought that removing magic cancel was a good idea?
     
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    See, this is what frustrates me. You deleted my post on the grounds that it was just me "being flamy," when this, right here, is why I made that post in the first place. You all only see what you want to see, hear what you want to hear, and use bits and pieces of information only when it suits you. Then when things clearly don't suit you, you feign this objective authoritarian stance instead of just facing the criticism head on. But, by all means, continue using what little power you have to keep the truth out of your face..
     
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    I don't know why everyone's gotta turn all their interrogation lights on poor Evan here. He didn't make the changes, and even if he did, I see it as an understandable error (I likely would've done the same thing; I had no idea Armor Crash was ever useful). Turn down the heat at least until someone outright declines the change back, you don't need to get all saucy~
     
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    It's because people care about the stuff they devote their time to, and the two major decision makers on this server don't play the game. To say that they're out of touch with the player base is an understatement among understatements. And the people that they brought on staff, who actually do play the game, consistently have their input ignored (or met with outright hostility) in favor of the decisions made by the two that don't make any effort to use their product. This is not a new issue. This has been going on for a long time and it's the reason @Michael decided to leave staff as well, and, while I'm not nearly as relevant as Mike, I'm quitting this game for the same reasons.

    As to why Evan in particular is getting the brunt of the backlash is because his mindset, made evident by the remarks he's made thusfar on this thread, are completely indicative of the mindset that we believe the two major decision makers have, and it's endlessly frustrating to deal with as a group of individuals who actually care about the things they spend their time on. And, on a lighter note, because he's the only one responding lol.
     
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    That doesn't answer my question of how many people were actively involved in the discussion. In my time in Staff I've noticed plenty of changes that were discussed only once and at a time where not every member of Staff was awake or around, and then the decisions were made after a discussion with 2-4 people at most. I also know that decisions often make it to live while certain Staff members disagreed or wanted to see an altered result. I feel like this change would not be one that every Staff member would actually agree upon, unless you have evidence to prove me wrong.
     
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    But that’s the whole point I’m trying to make here - the whole purpose of having a staff is to rely on them and discuss these kinds of things with them so that if you were making this change, hopefully someone would point out why it is a bigger deal than you might think. Everyone has a different perspective and has something to bring to the table, which is why consultants and people in problem solving based industries work in teams.

    So, I'm not specifically targeting Evan. If you look at my posts, I have simply been asking about the circumstances that surrounded this particular decision, and it just so happens that his answers have been concerning to me (and other people it would seem) because it indicates that the team that is supposed to be there to advise on decisions wasn't consulted or was ignored, in Eli's case.

    I think I'm being fair and not at all "saucy."
     
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    I care about the game dude.

    I never said I was against switching the drk and hero skills back, I was just defending why it happened the way it was, by trying to explain what happened.

    It's easy to put a target on me, but maybe the 5 or 6 staff shouldn't have left and stayed to fight for what they thought was right.

    Looking back my biggest point of contention was giving pallies the wep cancel crash and not heroes, the other stuff (like kleric said) was never really discussed. I (like a lot of people) probably didn't have a clue that cancelling wep def up was so crucial... why wasn't it debated more? I don't know.
     
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    In the mean time I'm going to close this. There's good feedback here and the threads... sort of derailed (and I don't want it to get further off topic). I've brought this to the staff's attention, I think it's best to wait for an official response.
     
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