Why HP washing should not be changed. VERY SIMPLE! LAZY PLAYERS HATE THIS!!!!

This made me laugh. Why don't you tell a new player they need to vote for a year for a good character? Watch him jump to another private server in half a second.

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I washed my own char and still want changes to be made. Grinding /leeching it to 135 made me quit back in the day and I've quit again since I don't really like new source.

 

i read that, if ppl wanted to do pq or grind, they could still multiclient.
hp washing doesnt have anything to do with that. ppl would still leech even without washing... maybe it would be better to remove mage classes? xD

 

Yeah, because doing a PARTY quest all by yourself, controlling 5 clients, is soooo much fun. Lol

 

who said anything about 5 clients? i meant, 2 clients, one for party questing or grinding with other people

 

The wording suggested that people could still PQ if they had control over all the characters to do it.

Leeching, on the other hand (not speaking to you directly, sunshine) is dumb. I never understood how and why leeching is fun or worthwhile. It's lazy by nature, and HP washing has EVERYTHING to do with it. It's a side-effect / byproduct of HP washing and is an activity that occupies a play-style that misses the point of this server. I'm sure this has already been argued, just in different words, so I'm not alone in thinking this. The voting or "choosing sides" aspect of this debate is totally skewed because there are way more investors of HP washing than there are new players, and by nature, the investors of HP washing align with the "HP washing should not be changed" side of the debate. So asking the community (if you can call it that) to vote on it isn't even fair to begin with.

 

HP Washing should never be removed. It's a mechanic that raises the endgame ceiling and forms the basis of our economy.
HP Washing's existence benefits all players by providing everyone with a stable income while simultaneously allowing veteran players to take their endgame goals to a new level. HP Washing plays a critical role in our game by acting as a massive money sink for our top players while providing no negative effects on others. It doesn't effect anyone else if one player decides to sink 12-25B meso to make their new main have 12-30K HP. The only people who oppose washing are those who want to compete with the top 5% of our community bossers without putting an any effort to wash their character like the veterans have. New player aren't entitled to search the forums for a whole 5 minutes without having any real experience in our game economy and then decide it's best we should completely overhaul the entire game, its mechanics, and the system in which our economy is based. To those who are claiming that washing is killing this game, you are simply incorrect. This used to have 200-300 active players at any time and it has doubled or tripled since then. No one is forcing anyone to HP Wash and its unfair to suggest the entire mechanic should be removed because a handful of players don't feel like doing it.

 

No one in this thread is even saying we should remove it. We are talking about reworking.

 

There is nothing to rework. Changing the price of AP Resets is unnecessary and will wreck the economy and the mechanics of how it works are perfect as is.

 

Again no one is suggesting to just change the price of AP Resets. There have been multiple suggestions to rework HP washing. We are discussing this because the server has become an afk leech server with no proactive players farming or pqing. Granted it's not the only reason why this happens, but it is a major contributor.

 

The very fact that the economy has become so reliant on an exploit of the formula for calculating maxHP is reason enough for me to decide that something needs to change.

And HP washing does effect the people who don't do it. Recruiters for bosses are less-likely to choose non-HP washers to fight bosses and that's a terrible feat in and of itself. There should be no discrimination / exclusions (outside of class) that determines who gets to fight bosses and who doesn't. Sure, gear WAS a huge factor in bossing back in the day of GMS, but those goals were far easier to achieve than needing to HP wash (which is more expensive).

To put things into perspective, the life of a maplestory character was and should be this:
1. Creation 2. Quests, Grind, PQ's 3. Hit bossing levels 4. Increase damage output with better gear 5. Have fun

On the contrary, this is how it is now:
1. Creation 2. Grind the market(even more than the normal way of playing) 3. Leech the levels 4. Make HS mule
5. Creation (again) 2. Grind the market some more 3. Still leech the levels 4. Grind the market again, this time selling leech / splitting leech 5. Wash to 30k HP 6. End game bossing

The fact that players must create multiple characters, sell leech, sell AP resets, and go through the hassle of HP washing just to be included in all content is ridiculous. We've taken a game designed around community game-play and turned it into a single player campaign that involves starting over several times to achieve enough income to start washing.

Yes, it takes dedication to get to the end game content (like bosses); however, HP washing isn't deserving of that dedication due to it's ripple effect and near-necessity. The dedication of the players has been shifted from quests, pqs, and grinding, to HP washing and all of its byproduct activities.

In other words, HP washing was not the original method of reaching end-game content and it shouldn't be now.

 

there are 4 pages of debate going on and i've seen 0 posts so far that addresses to solve hp
washing issue for the 3 sides- the old players (who washed), the current players (who are washing/accumulating apr), and the new players (those who haven't washed)

the most reliable way to pacify all 3 sides equally, is to

• first take into account how many apr each player has used on hp/ mp stat
• secondly, refund those players by depositing x number of apr used into 3100 nx into their account
• thirdly, remove off all allocated hp/mp from those players
• forthly, remove off hp/mp resetting via apr, thus revoking off hp washing entirely from this server

i'd say that step 1 would be the hardest, but an easy way (and not really particularly accurate too) to find out is by getting the minimum hp washing figure of a particular job and starting it off from there

e.g. using thief classes as an example, just deduct 20 hp from their overall hp till it its the most minimum natural hp amount that class is able to have, and then tally up the number of counts and refund the nx accordingly.

the only disadvantage i see that this would cause is the influx of nx in the server........which will cause gachapon items to momentarily drop, but that doesn't seem that bad either with the hugely inflated price of gacha items nowadays

 

First of all washing doesn't benefit anybody aside from hardcore players who want to get to 30k HP and have no challenge at bosses.
New players could easily sell gach items or find other ways to get money instead of selling resets, while the others all suffer from this system as they get lower HP than they should and have to spend a lot of money to fix a problem that should have been fixed in the first place. It doesn't make sense from a game play perspective for a boss to be impossible for certain classes.

And it's not about competing with the top 5% but more like the top 50%. Pretty much almost everyone at a high level washed and without washing you can't really join bosses like HT which is the main source of EXP/money late game.
Sure you could just party and have fun but eventually you'd reach a high level where the washing matters and you'd have to either restart the character or have troubles with bossing.
I actually made my character without washing much cause you didn't need to do it that much by the time I played and I never thought I'd get to a high level, but when I did I saw that I can't really run HT often with the low HP and I had to get to around level 180 to get 7k to join any party with no HB.
And now in new source you actually need a lot more than 7k cause the leg can get a damage buff.

And about the new players not having real experience, you joined the server last month so it's not like you have any experience either so that's rather hypocritical to speak like that.
It's really weird to have someone who is new without experience speaking like he knows everything and telling people they are incorrect.

And about the 200-300 players part, the reason for that was that the server was broken at that time. There was literally nothing to do in maple except chatting with everything still broken (skills not working, no cash shop, no stores, a lot of dcs etc). If you compare the server to old source there used to be over 2000 players at times so the server actually declined.

 

I agree with a lot of what you are saying so I am not gonna debate. For clarification on my viewpoints, I didn't join last month.
I don't use my old form account because I don't like the name I chose for it. I have been on and off for a maybe a year and a half and have (165 F/P - 81 HS Mule - and a 35 MM that has 745 AP Resets all farmed through selling leech). So I have been through the entire experience of funding a fully washed character from start to end.

 

I guess I can understand why people scream "nothing is wrong with hp washing and leeching" under the premise that they invested too much effort and time into the current MapleRoyals lv 135+ bossing community and culture.

However the real question is did you join MapleRoyals because you missed how you played Pre BB GMS?

• If the answer is YES, then we gotta do something about the trending playstyle that vast majority of the player base are doing right now. The trending playstyle is night and day compared to how Pre BB GMS operates. There is no lv 1~134 community for PQ and grinding. Just mage farming and leeching.

• If the answer is NO, then you probably enjoy this play style over how Pre BB GMS operates. Then there is nothing will influence your point of view on this topic.

 

What i kinda realised is that HP washing probably won't go away and one reason that just occurred to me is that the presence of HP washing drives demand for NX and in return keeps players voting. Voting > server rank > players > donors > $$$

 

I doubt players would stop voting if hp washing were to be reworked. People will still be able to gacha and buy cosmetics more often.