So... this happened and idk what to do(Need advice from a good washer)

I was on discord the other night with a friend and he was guiding me through washing and he told me after i had leveled all i have to do is pull my int out and put it into my dmg stat and i would gain hp. i didnt gain more hp, seeing this i told him something is not right and i still have a ton of MP(4.6k) he said idk that is how its supposed to work and hung up. I'm guessing i did something wrong, not sure if i can somehow still wash and if so how many i'd need to do or if my NL is completely screwed\not worth dumping the money into. Please help.

 

keep your int > put fresh ap into mp until desired mp > take out mp and put into dmg stat > take out int and put into dmg stat > take out ap from mp and add into hp > voila! you're missing out on a few important steps there

 

no but what happened is. i pulled all my int out.. put into main stat... kinda not sure what to do now. i think he screwed me.

 

mmm that is definitely not how it works haha, i recommend you to whip your friend now

 

Can you Whip me?

 

What's your level? If you're high level already you don't need the INT anymore. Use a calculator to see how much HP you can get from your current MP, and then we'll see. If it's not enough, THEN you can whip your friend

https://www.battleground.co.il/hp/
Here's a nice and clean calculator just to check if you'll reach your goal or not

 

L-ll-luna!?

 

it was not me, was my lil brother

 

Very nice Calculator!

 

I agree, but please note that I am not the creator of that calculator so I take no credits

 

Give me the following information and I can tell you what it would cost to reach your goals if you continue with this character or make a new one.

I need your:

Class
Current Level
Clean HP
Clean MP
Int Gear Int Total
HP Goal
Level for HP Goal

You can input your stats in my own HP washing calculator, a different creation from the one linked above, but I’m happy to do all the math for you.

 

Class - NL
Current Level -132 now because i've just kept playing.
Clean HP - 4354
Clean MP - 4627
Int Gear Int Total - was 200-220 per lvl. i've stopped since lvl 127
HP Goal - wasnt sure because i had stopped playing for awhile
Level for HP Goal - hoping 150 or 170. i really dont know. i'm just unsure of how im gonna be able to do this.

 

based on a fresh calculator i used. this is what it said
Results
219 WASHES (~3.3B)

1,996 MIN MP
4,380 ~ 5,256 GAINED HP (20 ~ 24 PER WASH

 

im just not sure what im supposed to be doing? like i have no int now. my stats are in main stats now. im not sure what i need to pull out and put back into.

 

If I understand you correctly, you are unsure of the actual method of washing?
I believe for NLs there are 2 methods (or 3 if counting MP washing which I don't know enough to talk about). One method stands out as the better and for NL that is: Using AP from level up to wash.
This means, you add AP into HP, then you use the AP Reset to decrease MP and increase LUK.

If what you read here is correct,

...then you'll gain 20~24 HP each time you do this.
However, it will take 44 level-ups or more for you to fully wash out your MP, and therfore you might want to look at the 2nd method:
Using this method, you simply use an AP Reset directly to decrease MP and increase HP. One AP has to be added into the HP/MP pool prior to this, and when the washing is done, that point should be reset into LUK again.
This method gives a bit less HP than the first one (someone else please specify) but will be necessary in your case to reach your goal in an earlier level.

 

Your int gear added up to 200-220 int? This would be the sum of the amount of int on your equipment only, not base int! I think you told me how much base int you used to have, so I ran the following calculation assuming 0 int gear.



You can get 9250 HP by level 155, which means you can HT without HB as long as you attack the wings or Head A and stay off the ground until your partied has killed the legs. You see, the buffed leg stomp attack deals 9.7k damage, which is why 9.8k HP is thrown around so often. It's a rare occurrence to actually get hit for 9.7k damage, but it can happen, and you want to avoid such an early death. The next highest damage you'll have to deal with is the wing touch damage which deals 9k when buffed, which you'll live just fine. Remember to use Power Elixirs and put your pet autopot HP setting to maximum! You'll also live mass seduce comfortably even when getting hit by the falling rocks on either side that deal roughly 2.5k damage per drop. You won't need to panic during the seduce phase at all. So basically, you can pretty much do endgame content, HT with HB, without needing to remake!

The way you do this is in the instructions I automated above, but let me break it down here.

So with AP Resets at 17m each now, getting your 9,250 HP by level 155 costs you 219 AP Resets, or 3.723b total cost.

From now (level 132) to level 155, every single time you level up, you're going to put all five of your fresh level up AP into HP. You're going to spent 115 AP Resets to -MP +luk/dex putting these AP back into your actual stats. And you're going to use 104 AP Resets at any time, no need to wait to level up or anything, so you can do it right now if you wanted, but what you're going to do is -MP +HP.

You see, the 115 AP Resets is for level up AP HP washing, for all the fresh level up AP you put into HP. Thieves indeed gain 20-24 HP per fresh level up AP put into HP, so this saves you money.

But you only have a limited number of level ups, so you have a limited number of level up AP. When you have an HP goal that requires more washing than your level up AP allows, you need to use AP Reset AP (using AP Resets to -MP +HP over and over and over in one sitting). Thieves gain 16-20 HP per AP Reset AP put into HP, so it gives 4 HP less per HP wash, but it's necessary if your HP goal and the level you want that HP by exceeds what your level up AP will get you.

My calculator automatically optimizes using all your available level up AP and calculates the AP Reset AP necessary to reach your goal, but you can do the math by hand if you're nervous about trusting it.

Here's the behind the scenes math that makes it all work:



So just by naturally leveling up, the natural HP formula means you have 4860 HP by level 155. This leaves 4390 HP to HP wash to 9250. You have 115 level up AP (155-132=23*5=115) which gives 22 HP on average, and therefore means you need 104 AP Reset AP, which gives 18 HP on average. This totals up to 219 AP Resets needed to HP wash. You lose 12 MP per AP Reset used to -MP, so you'll lose a total of 2628. The natural MP formula tells us that you'll have 4972 MP by level 155, even with your 4 base int and 0 int gear. The minimum MP formula tells us that at level 155, your minimum MP is 2318. So 4972-2318=2654, so you have 2654 MP available to use. Taking the total number of AP Resets needed to HP wash and multiplying it by the MP loss for each one, 219*12=2628. So we require less MP than we can use, 2654 > 2628, so we'll have enough MP. 4972-2628=2344 so we end up with 2344 MP after all our HP washing at level 155!

And here are the formulas if you want to verify the above values:
Natural HP Formula: ((Job-1)*325 + Level*22) +118.5
Natural MP Formula: 175*(Job-1) + 15*Level - 46
Minimum MP Formula: 14*Level +148
Level Up AP HP Gain: 20-24 HP
AP Reset AP HP Gain: 16-20 HP
MP Loss per HP Wash: 12 MP

Job:
Night Lord = 4
Hermit = 3
Assassin = 2
Thief = 1

I strongly discourage using the other calculator. All it does is say how much you can HP wash right now, entirely disregarding base int and int gear you may have. It doesn't project MP values in future levels because it does not account for base int and int gear MP gain per level. I can tell that it automatically assumes you'll be HP washing at level 155, which while it's a common HP goal level since it's when HTing starts, this arbitrary design limits user customization and isn't even disclosed to the user. It does optimize level up AP and AP Reset AP, but it provides absolutely no transparency on how much of each is to be used, and doesn't give instructions on what to even do. My frustration on its extremely limited utility was why I came up with my own comprehensive calculator spreadsheet.

And please please don't get confused about MP washing LOL. You don't need it, at all. But I'll explain it to you for curiosity's sake. MP washing literally just means putting fresh level up AP in MP. When you do this, even after using an AP Reset to -MP +luk/dex, you have a net gain of ((Base Int) / 10) - 1 MP, rounded down, for every fresh level up AP you put in MP. This is how the people who have 20k or more MP on their NLs got there. It's necessary for very high HP goals like 30k HP, or just HP goals on tight time constraints, but don't worry about any of this because none of this applies to you unless you want to remake your character for some reason.

As promised, I did a calculation for you if you were to make an entirely new character, this time finding 9800 HP by level 155 so you can survive the buffed leg stomp at HT without HB. It correctly applies the beginner formulas from level 1-10 and correctly scales up your MP gain per base int you'll have at each level, and it's cost optimized for using MP washing to push down the total cost as low as possible. But I thoroughly recommend keeping your current character and following the screenshot above instead of remaking, which is detailed below:

 

this is the problem im having. i dont know what to do. this is what happens when i use a reset. i dont know what to do from here. i had 4277 mp when i pull up a reset. 4627 on my mp bar. the problem im not getting is what do i do from here. i sapped all the int i had out. i was leveling previous with 140 base INT and 60 in gear totalling to 200. if i had mw. it would be 220. i dont know what im supposed to do from this point. do i pull LUK out and where do i put it. and how many time can i do this without leveling right now. if i were to just buy ap resets

 

take one point out from either ur dex or luk and put it into ur hp using an ap reset. from then on, u should be able to use ap resets to - ur mp and + into ur hp until u reach base mp.
then after that - 1 point from ur hp and put it back to the stat that u took the point from so u wont lose out on any points on ur main stats

 

Now:
1 AP Reset: -luk +HP
104 AP Resets: -MP +HP
1 AP Reset: -MP +luk

Every time you level up from level 132 to level 155:
5 AP in HP
5 AP Resets: -MP +luk

Ignore what the AP Reset window says for your HP, MP, and HP gain and MP loss. It’s wrong. Ignore it.

 

So currently. At lvl 132 could i do all of those resets right now and then just continue as i level?

Ah i see. It says NOW in bold letters. Oops.