Mark of Naricain vs. Horntail Pendant

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Do you want a nerf on Mark of Naricain so the HTP is still the best end game pendant for attacker?

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  1. Buccaneer
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    This sums up my thoughts exactly for the MoN. I think for most attacker classes, a MoN should edge out on damage at the loss of secondary stats that the HTP gives. It should be competitive with the HTP and depending on which class and what stats you need, both are viable pendants. Imo, the MoN should have +5 of each stats and 5 attack, to stay very competitive with the HTP.
     
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    Not sure about Blizzard, but for Meteor, its stronger 1v1 than Paralyze on fire weak (Which makes no sense imo, but that's another story), but as soon as you hit the damage cap, which is pretty easy, Paralyze takes over. If a weak to poison/lightning could be added if Scarga is to be introduced to the game, then that would help out Arch Mages and maybe Paladins too (As I don't know if they use their lightning charge when bossing).
     
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    As for F/P mages, you can use Fire Demon
    It is pretty strong, I can hit about 30k with it on my f/p mage (1200 magic)

    Not sure about ice mages, didn't try one.
     
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    Mhmm interesting, never thought someone would think of using Fire Demon for bossing. But just to take in what you said, I just quickly did the math and Fire Demon on fire weak is equal to Paralyze damage wise, so you might as well still use Paralyze. Speed wise they're both equal too.
     
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    I don't have maxed paralyze to do that damage check, but Fire Demon also hits more than one mob. (not that it matters in a boss tho)
     
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    No need to check their actual damage to compare since that fluctuates while basic attack / % doesn't. And now double checking, Fire Demon might actually be weaker than Paralyze 1v1 even on fire weak.
    I used to numbers of Fire Demon from: https://bbb.hidden-street.net/character/skill/fire-demon (140 basic attack) and I got maxed Paralyze in-game which is 210. With those numbers, 140 x 1.5 = 210 but on HiddenStreet, those numbers are from v86 or +, since Paralyze is at 240 there. So assuming Fire Demon is weaker in Royals too, 140 - 30 = 110 (Since for Paralyze its 240 - 210 = 30), with 110 x 1.5 = 165, Fire Demon is still weaker by a lot even on fire weak. And targeting more than one mob actually does make a difference; at Zakum arms with 8 targets, spamming Meteor is comparable to other classes or even stronger DPM wise, but that's another boss making this even more off topic.

    Tldr: My point is, having Scarga weak to fire or ice doesn't make it any better for AMs.
     
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    I don't see a reason to nerf this necklace, it's nostalgic to be this way and giving it high atk will encourage people to party more often.
    Currently I see most people just leech and nobody really parties except for bossing (and even there I see people just use the same classes all the time and mules).
    Getting a strong necklace will encourage people to party and make friends and allow every class to participate (since you need 2 of each class). It also gives attacker classes another way to gain meso by selling the necklaces , right now pretty much the only efficient way to get meso before HT is leech/farming with a mage. Nerfing it will make nobody do this PQ after a few tries, why would you bother to do a 1 hour or more of a PQ and try to get 10 people just for some atk pots and a cape?
    Besides the difference between 5 atk and 10 atk is negligible, it will give you like 300 more range which will make you kill something in 29 minutes instead of 30.
     
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    Not sure if I am being selfish or not. But I want MoN to have godly stat buff. This means as a bishop I can constantly reloot every HTP drop ~f17
     
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    Matt said in shoutbox yesterday that it was likely to be 5 average with godly potential
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    MoN is already confirmed long ago to be nerfed, have no slots, and will not have the godly system on it. I believe it will be competitive to a HTP and will not override it. If any of this info is wrong, then there must be something I don’t know.
     
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    See above
     
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    I fixed your typo Jackson @Buccaneer
     
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    So this thread is still valid because Matt "confirmed" the MoN will be nerfed compared to GMS' MoN even with the godly system, since I remember the stat goes up to 12 in GMS, while HTP is better than GMS' HTP.
     
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    You mean a HTP isn't competitive with a HTP?

    Is this the twilight zone?!

    lol but yeah for now go with what Matt said
     
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    well it should be up to 11 with full godly, but might have more secondary stats. or there might be no secondary stats at all.
     
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    I guess my point was they kept htp the same as GMS before godly applies and still add godly system to it, but now the MoN is "TBD" receiving nerf, and about the same as GMS MoN after the godly system
     
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    Lets be fair guys, we need this content because lets face it, the content we have right now is getting stale, quit getting in the way of evolving into new content because you worked to get what you have now.
    It took me 11 months to make balanced furies, with cwkpq around the corner its gonna easier to make them now, does that mean because i suffered, they should remove taos from cwkpq and make them only available from the 24 hour badge exchange?
    Change is not a bad thing, and nerfing content to fit your agendas regardless of how long it took you to get something is absurd and makes you look like a child <3 get with the times and evolve
     
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    So you're hinting that they should remove the feedback section so we can't voice our opinions or concerns as players?

    Seems to me you're saying voicing our concerns and opinions is childish.
     
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    where does it say that? when you assume you make an ass out of yourself and me.
     
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