This isn't entirely true. You could also argue every server is a market on their own and if we make it hard for goldfarmers and rwters to do their little businesses here, they'll just move to another server. As for everything else, I agree.
As I was discussing this topic with some of my guildies, one of them gave me an additional idea. Many mentioned before that absence of drop logs is making this whole RWT scene possible. If drop logs were easy to implement then it would have been introduced already. However, seeing it hasn't after 1 year post newsource update, I'm safely assuming there are difficulties with its implementation. Then why don't we simply apply reverse psychology? If we can't trace drop logs, we can force people to trade instead of dropping. Main dishes in RWT are perf weapons and att gears. Sometimes other godly items are also treated but they are more like salad. Perfect weapons are too many so lets skip that for now. Att Capes, Shoes, Gloves are limited in its variety. Cape: Pink Gaia Cape, Pink adventurer's cape Shoe: Facestompers, Red christmas sock Glove: Brown work glove, Stormcaster glove Make the above 6 items untradable through drops. If this applied to use or etc items that had to be handled in mass quantity (e.g 1000x), that would be problematic but who carries so many att gears that they can't trade via trade bar? Like the case of Pizzanl who lost his 21 pgc from dropping it in fm, this may also prevent unnecessary loss of gears from trade or showoff. There won't be any harm to the community even if those 6 items are locked from drop trading. However, the only problem this has is that one cannot get rid of them without dropping since it doesn't even show on shop NPCs. I hope a bright person can provide solutions for this.
You forgot 1B coins and WS/CS and APR. Also im pretty sure there are some type of drop logs somewhere but it probably is a huge file considering all the items players pick up and drop.
AP resets as well as 1B coins and Cs/Ws only make the RWT buyer richer in game. As stated before, their main goal is to get great gears and run end game bosses like top players in oblivion and fryslan, not to hold 100 WS in inventory and stare at them. No matter how "rich" they get, they will still have to go and make their own purchase of gears from forum or via personal trade ingame (still go through trade log) which often leaves hints of their sudden boost in wealth.
RWT includes, but not limited to those items. I think my idea I posted in this thread earlier covers more ground. TLDR: anything scrolled with chaos/white scrolla requires an unique process to trade for system to trace the buyer and seller.
It won't be possible to dry out all RWT supply in 1 go. There are simply way too many loopholes for abuse. Although they are part of a bigger RWT scene, eliminating a big portion of it (cape/glove/shoe) may gradually reduce overall RWT traffic. Yes, people can still RWT perfected weapons, overalls, earrings and CS/WS but that's not gonna let them become Horntail slayers after 3month of playing royals (people reading this may know who you are). The same guildie that gave me the idea actually also suggested a method identical to yours before the one I mentioned. However, I got worried it may deem too complicated for Staff to consider because it requires implementation of "new items" with new recognition system. Any item can be WSed and Chaosed and many people may dislike and oppose this idea due to extra tedious process it can entail. Summary: Your idea is definitely better in the sense that it covers more variables but knowing how slowly and carefully things get implemented in royals (not saying it's bad but just the harsh truth), I'm afraid staff may not consider it with priority. Hence I suggested something slightly simpler that's easily manipulable.
Looking at it from a RWT's perspective, I don't think theres any difference in buying a perfected weapon from a seller with money or CS/WS. THink about it, if you make everything undroppable except cs/ws, ill just buy ws/cs and trade that for an item from a legit player. Thus contaminating an innocent player into accepting RWT items. Then do you only ban one player or both? If this is the case where you only ban the two original players, you can bypass this by trading the cs/ws to a mule. Then trade it to another player for the weapon/attk gear of choice. Then only the mule and seller get banned while you play innocent on main account. EX: RWT Seller: Drops WS/CS Mule: Picks up. Mule: Trades cs/ws with someone for attack gear. RWT Buyer drops cs/ws to legit seller. Legit seller trades item. RWT is a thing in every single MMORPG. There is no solution to these things.
Nothing will eliminate RWT to zero, but there are things that can be done to reduce such practice. Why are you so against changes that may help reduce the number of RWTer/RWT activities? Is there something we should know?
What do you mean Im against it? I said he should include WS/CS as well because it will be used. I realistically said RWT wont be eliminated. Sure you can stop it a little but it wont be removed. And yeah, im a RWT. Thats why i play ironman and my hero has no gear and my mage is inactive with mage-only gear scrolled. rofl. Nice accusation.
Playing dumb when we both know you inferred it. Whatever. Passive aggressive af. "He doesn't agree with everything I said so he must be part of it cuz my cause is just and everyone should understand. If they don't they are part of the evil that ruins my view of the game!!!" Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeshh
I believe people who pay legit earned mesos for RWTed items aren't guilty, especially if they were not aware of it. WS/CS is currently used as most effective form of currency. Limiting their trade method would cause much distress by daily merchants. What I was trying to aim is not to directly stop the transaction of RWT but FORCE people to use "trade" function so it may leave RECORDS in the server so Staff can trace it if there is any doubt. Using few mules in between doesn't change anything because actual gear will have to be transferred with trade function and tracing back the records will lead right back to the owner. Even if RWT buyers use the rl money-purchased CS/WS to buy perfected gears from legit sellers, that leaves RECORD in form of forum bids or ingame trade. That buyer would go HT or some end game boss with those op gears and op dmg lines. His PT members see this seemingly newbie person out dpsing them. They report the person to Staff Staff can check his trade records for past days and find out he bought amazing gears with bunch of CS/WS that came out of nowhere but possibly drops. Obvious question that comes to mind. Who drops 50+ CS/WS to a newbie? Only RWT seller...or their imaginary friend who decided to quit and give everything away. You would have noticed this pattern in ban appeals. When Staff question RWTers where they got their Godly att gears, they provide not-so-convincing answer related to pro merching. However, when they are questioned on how they got hold of large quantity of CS/WS at low lvl, they have no real answer. Limiting the form of RWT to CS/WS would still help reducing the traffic by a significant amount.
The topic of this thread is to "Terminate RWT" unless I've misunderstood the goal. I can understand your frustration and I am also frustrated myself. I have no good ideas to solve this, which is why I have not yet posted in this thread, just read. But why do you phrase yourself like in above quote? If there is no solution, just close the thread, close the server and let's all go home. Of course there is a way to minimalize RWT and improve this (wonderful in many ways) server. I've read many great suggestions in this thread and I marvel at all the creativity this community has to offer. Let's keep fighting for the good cause and not give up! EDIT, is the person I quoted actually banned? I didn't notice this 30 minutes ago...
I will have to ask you to refrain from replying on this thread if you are planning to continue with your pessimism. I know you got complaints against royals but this thread is created to improve the quality of active players who care about royals.
The feedback is to start a new server where theres less incentive to even rwt and even lessen the reward by rwting by adopting different ideas of other successful mmos, wow sorry for trolling xdddddddddddddd
Just make a new server is not going to be a viable option and you just named another game's economic system but didn't mention ANY of the merits behind it. Yeah I too can throw out tons of random references, but without explaining how they work and why they're worth implementing it's not going to be of much good. Add some substance to your posts so people don't think you're trolling.
