I can't just list out distinct facts and merits towards those facts because everything is relative to ms, its a different game so things obviously have to be tweaked and not everything will fit like a jigsaw puzzle, but what I can say a major point towards my argument is the issue of being able to bot everything you need. Take path of exile for example, sure (maybe) there are some highly sophisticated bots out there that can run bosses and being able to farm legendary equips and stuff but in ms it isn't really possible to (unheard of as far as I know) to do this, this works in our favor, so a point could be taken to let certain bosses drop end game equipment. What do we have now? We have a system where everything is accessible through botting, perfect rc? bot the monster that drops it, perfect nisrock? bot, scrolls to make those equips? botting. It even makes ht exlusive equips like a 95/20 dps not really worth getting for people who rwt if you can get a 91/19 so much easier and cheaper i'd assume since its so easy to get. Of course some items like stone tooth swords / ht only drop items aren't available through botting but I think you get the point, in an mmo where common consumables (scrolls/chaos/exalt orbs in path of exile) botting cannot be stopped, you can however stop botting the actual important equipment (you will find most legendaries in poe that drop through common mobs are shit and arent even worth botting - the incentive isnt there). How many scrolls on average does it take to scroll a perfect rc (consecutive passes), about 23 or so 30% dark scrolls or about 70 10%, now how easy is it to actually do this by running a script and two bots? bot 1 collects scrolls and has them in the inventory of bot 2's use tab, bot 2 can bot equips all day and make perfect equips by the process of elimination, pick up an item -> check its stat -> scroll/toss -> continue process -> automated way to make perfect equips with almost 0 effort. But no, i'm sure some goy would rather have all equipment be traded through a GM like a middle man and then have the GM draw up a balance sheet and income statement and cashflow statement then verify through Cody the wizet wizard that the guy is paying his maplestory meso taxes which can verify the net worth of the two people and settle the exchange and not address the root cause of anything (lol!!111)
I appreciate your concern for botting. That may be a leading problem toward RWT but we all know by now that not much can be done about botting due to so many loopholes in the game. This whole affair with cheaters in game can be compared to Weeds in the garden. Its roots are Botters. Their seeds flew uninvited into the garden and plant themselves among the other plants. They stay hidden from visual suspection of others and grow as they chow nutrients of the soil. When they have gained enough nutrients (mesos) , they produce stems and leaves which are RWT; which is more visible. You are suggesting that we should take a Bulldozer and wipe out every living plant in the garden. Do you really think the new garden won't get random weeds growing again? The same way RWT is unstoppable in MS, so is Botting. You say I'm not focusing on the root of the problem. Ofc I and others know where the root is but there is no way to pluck them out without harming other innocent plants, unless you have discovered a clever system or method like weed specific herbicide which as far as I know doesn't exist here. On other hand, I proposed better ways to discover and trim the weeds that are hidden among other plants on the surface. That's what this thread is all about. Reducing the harmful weeds (people) as they continuosly grow hidden. There were many brilliant suggestions: ways to shorten the supply and demand, planting cops behind the screen etc. If you are so passionate about stopping bots, the root of all cause, you should propose some ass-kicking ways to stop them not just remind us of obvious casualties botting can do. Or you can make a separate feedback thread asking for people's ideas on how a server can prevent botting.
I disagree entirely, in fact I am quite surprised that you'd dismiss it so quickly. I would also like to mention that I never said you can ever wipe out all the botters, in fact I mentioned in my post that you can't ever stop botting common items such as scrolls and such, I assumed that the reader understand the general consensus on what I mean by 'stopping botting' I've said this so many times but i'll say it again, make it open source. Do you know how many supposed 'unsolvable' problems have been solved just by making a problem open source? I don't recall exactly but there use to be an open source problem of a biological protein that could be reverse engineered to curse some diseases, some university had attempted to permute all the possibilities of the chemical with some automated program but to no avail, the problem was made open source and under 48 hours I believe the molecule was found. How this relates to MS: Honestly the solutions are simple and even basic checks can be done to greatly reduce the problem of bots, consider a trivial series of checks: do: calculate player position calculate mob position if (player_attacking and player_gaining_exp): calculate difference between mob and player position if difference beyond threshold: disconnect playersleep for 1.5 sec goto do Such a simple thing is hard to circumvent, as trivial as it is. Could you even imagined a combined effort of a few people contributed to anti cheat? Even if you don't want to make it open source at least for god sake have a crc on the games memory, do you understand right now people are using cheat tables that are literally like 5+ years old, with the same addresses unchanged one bit yet are still feasible to use? Lots of pservers have this, yet #1 gtop100 doesn't? Absolutely outrageous. Honestly, the problem here is not the amount of suggestions you get, the game is dying sadly to say no matter how you put it, word around the grape vine is that most staff are inactive/don't care anymore. Also, security is not obtained through obscurity, given the reluctance of making it open source as i've heard in the past you're going to need an active team of devs, is the team really that active in this profound 'new source'?
I'm glad you actually have suggestions for anti-bot system. Have you ever suggested this to staff already? What did they say in their reply? What was their reasoning if they didn't want to consider your suggestion? Staff are reasonable people from my experience and if this had pros that outweighed cons, wouldn't they have considered this already? Did they just ignore you? Is there an open thread for this "open source idea"? We can ask staff to comment here if necessary.
They wanted to keep the code private, nothing more was said. No doubt something similar has been considered but nothing has been done (I'm not joking that a 5+ year old cheat table is still being actively used). They didn't actively ignore me, its accepted that they want to keep it private and that the only ones who work on it is the current developer, I don't know why. No there is no open thread for having the server open source (at least the parts where it concerns the game) because they would close it immediately, its not up for discussion I am certain of this. I have pressed on this matter concerning having relevant parts of the server open source because people can add cool mods and stuff, again it wasn't up for discussion, all those conversations are lost though because my 'original' account was lost since they fused me with another forum account thinking it was me some how (I have also noticed that most evidence where applicable they use in the ban appeal refers to mac and ip logs, you honestly cant be serious about uniquely identifying a person through these two mediums).
I like the idea of open-source. I have often thought that MapleStory should have been or have been made an (partly?) open-source game early on. Minecraft is a game which is open-source in a way, allowing people to create alternative versions and thus modifying the game. In Maplestory, we have this in the form of private servers, except this is not approved of by the actual creators, which is sad but also understandable. However, I believe Minecraft has been (dare I say?) more successful economically than Maplestory has ever been.
Well, like you said just now, as unfortunate as it can be, Staff doesn't want it due to their own reasons. You already voiced out your opinion and staff replied with a strong NO. What would be your point on repetitively insisting on something that you know won't be considered? Each of us want "best" things to be done but it's not always regarded best in other people's perspective. Knowing that past discussions on botting have made no remarkable progress, I have decided to suggest ideas on a different topic that can still improve the quality of this game; although it cannot eliminate the core problem of the game. If you are willing to insist on your suggestion despite rejections in the past, please make a separate thread so those who share same insight as you can support you but let this thread focus on RWT as it was originally intended.
Yeah and I'm telling them your strong NO is why the server is shitting up, you're honestly just sitting there saying 'ok they don't want to solve the cancer lets now focus on how to maintain the cancer' and spending time trying so hard to find 'meso sinks' and all this shit is like trying maintain cancer rather than putting resources to trying to solve the problem? what kind of backwards logic is this Honestly you say let this thread focus on RWT but RWT is not a problem, we both established RWT is always there and hack prevention is how you reduce RWT directly cause people can't just farm currency?????? I think the actual back end code, most of which comes from odinms with some stuff rewritten is fine as it totally different from client modification, even if this isn't the case there are plenty of hacking tools on github which are used and are completely up to date with the latest GMS including their aes keys, if that stuff isn't taken down theres no way this is taken down first (could always just make it a private repo for people here)
As it has been said previously in this thread, if we can reduce (terminate please!) the desire to buy in-game favors with real world currency, then the issue is solved (that's my naive opinion) So the "root problem discussion" doesn't make any sense to me. If we really want to talk about root problems, I can tell you all what the problem is. And I know how to fix it too, and nobody will be able to argue against it, I promise. The root problem is you! It's also me, and every other player here. You see, we are humans and as such, we tend to be very selfish and prideful. The fix is to remove humans from the game. The fact that some people are willing to pay money for a game like this is an argument in my favor, as it shows what people are willing to do to get a sense of advantage over others. We like to feel superior over others, and we also tend to show this superiority on a daily basis. I find it very hard to understand why people would pay for this, but they undeniably do. They don't belong here in this community, as it is a community for people who want to re-experience a childhood memory and enjoy the game they loved once again. Still, they come here for some reason. I would like to throw out a question that will maybe open another dimension in this discussion. "What is it with the current Royals situation / community that drives people to pay to win a vanity race, rather than enjoy a rather simple game?" and also "Is this something new or has it always been this way?"
Going back to garden-weed analogy, RWT is most likely to occur all the time but with good measures to limit their growth on surface, their population can be reduced and controlled to a point where they won't be as detrimental as they are now. RWT IS A PROBLEM although it's caused by worse problem. We all get what you mean and what you want but dude.. face the reality. No matter how much you shout here "your server is going down becoz of your shit decision" you not gonna change anything. Discussions and suggestions about RWT reduction can still change something. There's more than just hack prevention that can reduce RWT traffic. This may not fit to your logic or mean anything to you because the core problem is still here but that's not what others including myself think. What are you trying achieve by re-emphasizing what's necessary in your eyes but not in staffs' eyes? Whether you like them or not, they run this server and if they decide not to accept your idea, I'm sorry but there's nothing you can do about it. You got better chance of making your dream come true by opening your own server than carry on complaining in this thread. What you can possibly do at this point is strike against them or something. You are more than welcome to tell the staff that "your NO is why the server is shitting up etc." BUT not in this thread because this thread is NOT meant to complain against staff but provide positive ideas to reduce RWT. I'm an optimistic person and I believe things can still be improved through RWT reduction even with botting issues intact. If you are still planning to complain about root problems, this thread isn't meant for you. I'm sorry but for the last time, please open another thread to address your opinion because that's not what I wanted to discuss on this thread.
The reason Royals has so much RMT is because there is so many exploits working. Focus on fixing exploits, cheats, bugs, dupe methods and the amount of RMT will reduce as well.
The reduction in desire to buy RWT items I feel will just lead to a reactive reduction in price of RWT items and its continued sale. I support an approach from both ends targeting suppliers and buyers. But we need to have the resources in terms of manpower and coding-skills? to tackle both.
I've seen I think 3 people in this thread getting banned, who weren't banned when the conversation started. If staff has implemented new methods or not, I do not know, but it seems they are doing their job! There is still hope for Royals, my friends
Why don't you guys just fake as a RWT and buy stuff from them, screen shot their names and report them.
