Info Progress Update 11th April

Lol read the post first.
I was talking about the medal idea of getting like +10k HP at the cost of -50% damage. It will pretty much only benefit mages and mules

 

Regarding your mention to very low % of new players... I disagree.
I am an old player and I know what job I love to play and well I also really like to switch jobs to keep the fun. It would be only a PLUS for the server to do it with an HP equipment, allowing players to switch characters and try new things whenver they want, or maybe get lots of jobs to 200 to try them all Everybody wins!

Thousands of players come here hoping for an experience that is similar to 2006 GMS, not knowing that they need to play differently to stay up to par with other ranged attackers, and it makes a horrible, time wasting experience for them. That is not ok. Out of the dozens of HP washing debates we've had here, this is an issue that has gone completely unadressed. Listing pros and cons of HP washing does not solve the problem. Yes, HP washing benefits characters, and I personally welcomed the idea of it as additional mechanic of the game, just not how it's currently set up. Yet, we concentrate on every other aspect of HP washing. Anything but the real problem. It's not about money, NX, voting, whatever, it's about time, and the fact that it's screwing new players.

"Screwing new players? Well that's their fault if they don't want to."

No, they don't know to. They get up in to high levels after listening to mixed opinions, take the path of least resistance, which is to ignore the HP washing, they realize how they've screwed up when it's too late, and they've lost months of their lives due to a mulilated mechanic of the original game.

 

ETA til next update?

 

Yeah an ETA would be nice! I am also pretty intested in this update. I am also a programmer I may help if needed for free, no need to give nx cash, nor mesos, nor gm, nothing. Just want to play without this bullshit hp wash T_T

 

ETAs are rarely given anymore only because it can be pretty demoralizing when they're inaccurate (as many people can attest to from past events).​

From what I've seen things are progressing very well with the main focus shifting to getting the event ready. We've received word that no update should be expected this upcoming week, but rather sometime in the week after the next one assuming everything goes as planned.

 

I hope you know by now that this is a fact. The rich people already have 6k+ hp bishops who can tank everything without magic guard after tail dies, there are also 134 sed mule shadowers and I have a 14k SEmule myself. What you are presenting as a possibility, is already a fact.

EDIT: I also dislike anything that is pro non hp washing. IT IS NOT MY PROBLEM IS YOU DONT HAVE TIME AND FUNDS TO MAKE A NL. IT COST ME A TON OF EFFORT TO DO IT MYSELF, WHY SHOULD YOU GET IT EASY?

 

Because it’s difficult.

 

Thank you for clarifying. I am anxious to start playing

Well, actually it's not people 'anti-wash' fault that you spent your precious time washing your character. This update is needed and it could be predicted. If you wanted to go boss sooner it's great for you. For someone like me, that can't boss nor have a great time playing because I can't leech myself, I can't have INT equips, I don't have the NX to wash, and I don't have time to make a Bishop and THEN my main character.

So I propose an easy way to fix this issue that does not benefit the players who ALREADY HP WASHED.
0.- Get the "base" HP formula for each job.
1.- Check if the characters did wash: CURRENT_HP higher than BASE_HP:
1.1.- Create new database column in user table: OLD_HP, BASE_HP, EXTRA_HP, AP_RESET
1.2.- Update BASE_HP = (USER_LEVEL * JOB_ID * JOB_HP_FORMULA) WHERE (JOB_ID=???)
1.3.- Copy all the CURRENT_HP to OLD_HP.
2.- Character washed: Update EXTRA_HP = (OLD_HP - BASE_HP) WHERE (OLD_HP > BASE_HP)
3.- Reset all the characters to BASE HP, so: BASE_HP = CURRENT_HP
4.- Divide the EXTRA_HP in the average number of HP added per AP Reset (I think its 30 hp average for all jobs): AP_RESET = EXTRA_HP/30
5.- Now that you have the AP_RESET number for every single user, you can refund them for the cost of NX CASH.
6.- EVERYBODY WINS!

 

Cool, as long as they refund me my 50b worth of resets i have nothing to whine about

 

Because it is not a healthy mechanism to require new players to make a mage and farm for hundreds of hours (or do nothing but vote for 6 months), just to reach the MINIMUM HP for the end-game boss.

Elite players can wash to 30K and enjoy all the extra safety, you earned it. But it shouldn't be so difficult for new players and casual players to reach the MINIMUM requirement.

The target population of this game shouldn't be limited to people who can afford spending 20+ hours weekly on a video game, after all.

 

I don't think it's smart for a server to cater to the top 1% who've been playing for years, rather than tending to the newer playerbase. Also very selfish to be against the progress of a server just because you dedicated so much time to the game. Look at @Ferencz for example and the time he spent making his balanced fury (one and a half years?), only for cwkpq to be coming out soon. Yet, he understands it's a part of the progress of the server and doesn't cry about it.

Either way, weren't you making a huge deal not too long ago about how you were going to quit?? Why do you even care.

 

Whether I quit or not is none of your business, whether I care or not is none of your business. It’s mine and it only concerns me. Period! Is it selfish? Ya, it is! I don’t care about new players and how difficult it is. I said it before, new players are always gonna whine about how difficult it is for them to make progress in the game. By making things easier than they already are, you are not contributing to new player base, you are contributing to lazy people to get stuff for free instead of hard working and dooming the old players who have worked hard. GO PLAY A HIGH RATE SERVER IF YOU FIND IT DIFFICULT. As for @Ferencz, I don’t thing you can compare this two scenarios as he knew it was unnecessary and yet he did it just for personal satisfaction. I did my wash out of luxury, not satisfaction

 

Yo bro I can't lie if washing is luxury why is it so deep? F2

I honestly believe there must be a balance. The way the server is atm it's like playing a nonmage without funds IS the harder thing to do.

Being a mage it just takes a bit of time to raise the funds but leeching is so OP compared to anything else that it will always be a thing.

However, levelling a nonmage you are outchea on your own son no1 really to level with since no1 gives a fuck and everyone is leeching and your damage is poop since raising funds isn't the most super super difficult thing (can still be challenging) but because making a mage seems to shoot you to the top it pales in comparison by FAR, the bar is set way higher than you could hope to reach within reasonable circumstances meaning that you are refused into boss runs based on not only range but HP (wdf?) and by the beginning of your endgame you just want to end the game because you ain't shit.

Is that the way you remember playing Maple back in the day?

 

I didn’t boss back in gms. I fully leeched only. Sometimes I would rarely cwkpq but that’s not for the topic. As for funding a character without a mage. It was posible here in old source by apqing. My friend funded his NL out of apqing. Now, the fact staff changed apq for the worst is another topic. My point is, there was a way in old source to make it without a mage, now there isn’t

 

Let me just start this by saying the new players and most of the old players don't care about you or your wasted mesos either. This is a prime example how someone's ego is blurring their mindset just because you want to feel superior to someone else. Why do you care if a newcomer is able to ht at 155 because of this change? It's a video game, the majority of the server consists of adults, adults have other things to do than sit 12 hours a day on a computer.

If you want to feel superior to other people, I suggest you do it in real life, in a place it matters, rather than in a video game and stop posting shit like this in this thread.

 

Maybe's he is just trolling. I don't believe it's possible that people can get so upset over "hard work" being spent in games.

 

Uh.. I am almost certain that he isn’t trolling.

 

Karlos is right about HP changes catering towards casuals rather than players who are seeking actual achievement-based goals. He's just letting his emotion get to how he presents his point(s) rather than attempting to convey his thoughts in a more mature manner. I feel identical to him in that new players shouldn't be able to participate in bosses simply by meeting the level requirement. They should have to put in countless hours of work merchanting, farming, or accumulating NX to wash and attain adequate gear as well. Bossing isn't just hit X level and you can do it, it's...hit X level, with X range, at X HP, and THEN you can participate. It's an accomplishment in itself to meet the prerequisites in order to participate. With HP changes you are essentially lessening the burden required to participate, and in turn, creating less of an achievement/accomplishment for those who strive to work hard. On gMS if you didn't wash, you didn't participate in the end game bosses, and especially without HB, and that wasn't something anybody could cry their way into changing - it should be the same on any server that seeks a gMS-like experience for their player base.

 

And elitists on a game originally made for children are always going to whine and complain to keep newer players from joining their ranks. No one is asking for free stuff to be handed to them, people just want a better alternative to HP washing instead of voting for 6 months without spending NX on anything but resets, or leeching 24/7.

You seem to treat every topic as black or white, one extreme vs the other. There are middle grounds you know, that’s how life works. Telling people who don’t want to play the game 10 hours a day for months on end to “go play a high rate server if you find it difficult” just shows how ignorant you are. Also no one finds royals difficult, as I said it’s a children’s game. It’s about the amount of time needed to be anywhere near relevant enough to enjoy mid-end game content.

 

I think the boost that will be available (in whatever forms they come), will allow people at or near 200 boss (Thus helping save some otherwise hopeless toons), it's not going to remove HP washing, nor make the people who did wash feel like they got nothing out of washing (Unless you're at 30k unbuffed), might even encourage the use of HB again, because with the boosts (if you do it all), I think some classes will be able to HT at 155 with HB without washing? I don't know the numbers on hand.