Info Progress Update 11th April

That's the issue we have-it makes attaining the required HP easier. Players will be able to participate in end-game bosses with less time, less work, and less resources. We (those of us who oppose these changes) don't like that approach. We want the extreme challenge to be required in order to participate in end-game bosses just like it was on gMS. Obviously this isn't something where one person is right and one person is wrong though - it's all based on person opinion. Some people are casuals and don't like a significant challenge, while others strive to achieve the hard(er) things and like the obstacles involved with attaining a character qualified to participate in the most challenging bosses in the game.

 

lol I'm by all measures a casual player and I love the extreme nature of HP washing (which is why Im 30k washing 2 of my characters).
Personally, I think part of the take home though, is if we make it a little easier, and people start bringing HB to bosses (rather than outright washing to exclude HB), I think that party aspect is more valuable than what's loss by making HP washing a little easier. 30k will still be a tough goal for all, and if that's where the bar is set for hardcore players to compensate for some easier bossing for others, I think that's fair.

But that's my opinion of what is planned. No matter what happens, I'm going to keep doing me, and others will keep doing them, I'm in the boat that what other people do has little impact on me, but that's more of a philosophical view of life in general

 

washing was never a requirement on GMS period, yall smoking rocks and getting a twisted perspective/memory on your nostalgia trips here
As for balanced furies coming out of PQ, yeah i knew about it, yall also knew CWKPQ was gonna be out one day and MoN was gonna replace HTP, but yall got that shit nerfed anyways, shake my head with dissapointment
You gonna nerf balanced furies damage/buff cilbis damage to keep them relevant, lmao

 

So if most players (currently) don't bring HB with the need to wash more, you believe that lowering the need to wash will create more incentive to bring HB along? I feel the changes only make it so that using HB is even less needed as players will have less of a challenge washing to the required HP to boss without HB. Instead of it costing them, say, 10 bil to reach the HP required to HT without HB, it'll cost them even less, making it more common to run without HB, not less. Obviously we'll have to see how it pans out when the time comes, but I just can't see giving players more HP being incentive to bring HB when players don't even bring it when they have less HP.

How did you HT on a ranged char. back on gMS without washing? Oh, wait, you didn't.

 

I did o-o People used HB.

 

How did you HT on a ranged char. back on gMS without washing? Oh, wait, you didn't.[/QUOTE]

If it was a requirement as you so think so, alot of people wouldnt have bothered to play as you needed mommy and daddys credit cards for nexon cards to even buy ap resets to wash, think about how much real money that would cost you, and washing wasnt even discovered till after ht release by tiger, and people have already killed HT by the time wash was even remotely discovered

 

Yes, you needed to wash as a ranged char. with HB in order to survive HT. Unless you're talking about @ level 200, which just isn't applicable since it was never the case back then.

HT was not (legitimately) killed before HP washing was discovered. HP washing was required in order to survive HT on a ranged char. back then. It cost a measly $150-200 to wash to the minimum HP requirement to HT with HB @ 155 as a ranged char.

 

hp washing was never a thing because no one knew about it, thus making it irrelevant and costly when they finally discovered you could do so, resets were 3.1k each and since they charged us 1 dollar US per 1k nx that would make washing a character in the thousands not hundreds, so your expecting millions of players to fork out thousands of dollars and remake all thier characters when it was discovered? your logic is completely flawed.
HT never did the touch/spell damage it did back then making it available to the people with gear to actually kill it, I should know, I made it through my servers first HT with HB as a 4.5k hp NL as a pure luk.

 

3.1k X 50-75 = nowhere near even 1000. Please do the math before making up random numbers. We're not talking about 30k base, we're talking about reaching the minimum amount of HP required to HT with HB.

That is incorrect about the damage done by HT. Go on Youtube and look up the first HT videos from Scania. You'll see the touch/magic damage.

 

ok then

 

What are you attempting to show? I can't view it on mobile. If you watch the old videos you'll see the magic damage done is beyond that of which a 4.5k HP ranged char. could survive with. Are you sure you aren't mistaking 4.5k for 4.8k, which was the HP required (without HB) for ranged? If so, what level were you at the time to have 4.8k unwashed at the time of HT release?

 

Heres another video dated 2010, 200 nl with 10khp *with HB* on Bellocan fighting pink bean
@6:53 you can see his unbuffed hp, clearly he didn't wash. HP washing was manditory? :thonking:

 

Can you display a video for us showing this?

 

I can only see the thumbnail but it appears his HP is 6.8XX base (correct me if I am wrong please, it's blurry as shit). Unfortunately that HP base cannot be attained without HP washing.

edit: In the first video (of HT) the NL has 5.2XX HP base @ either 166 or 168 (again, blurry so please correct me if I am wrong and I will adjust my post). That too requires HP washing.

If his video is of a full gMS HT run from around the time of release, it will display that for you (may be a bit tedious to pinpoint since back then the runs were typically like 4 parties, but definitely doable) . You can also do the calculations based on the information provided on bbb hidden street to determine how much damage it yields. Further, you can simply Google something related to HP washing for Horntail where the full detail of how much HP is needed and how much washing is required to attain it for specific jobs/levels is all over different message boards. The bare minimum determined HP was roughly 4.8k (maybe 4.7 with very high DEF gear or an already equipped HTP-SoK were not available back then so likely moot in this discussion) without HB.


If you attempt to find the information on your own (unless you don't want to, and that's fine too) and cannot do so please let me know and I'll find some resources for you once I'm back on a desktop.

edit: In both of the videos provided above to "prove" you didn't need HP washing, both of the characters were washed despite the player who posted them claiming otherwise (you can do the calculations for the HP they would have @ their respective level(s) without washing to confirm).

 

I would never ever ever ever ever have paid these amounts of money for Maplestory as a young teenager. People usually get more stupid the older they get (I guess) but even now, as a young adult I would never in my wildest fantasies pay that much for a game like Maple...

I want to apology to anyone I might harm with above statement. I just wanted to share my feelings.

 

That's A-OK, you do you man! The affordability was being referenced because the player was misled into thinking it cost thousands to HP wash (to the minimum required HP to HT which is roughly 50 resets @ 155-160 depending on how much HP your gear adds/which ranged class you are) when really it cost nowhere near that. Whether or not you made the decision to spend money on the game is entirely your personal choice I was just explaining that it is much more affordable than it was made out to be by that individual.

It's much the same on here. 50 resets is nothing. That's roughly 2 months of voting (less, but we'll just play pretend and exaggerate to make it seem even *more* challenging). You can have the minimum required HP to HT on a 160 NL/BM within 2 months of joining. Yet, that's somehow not easy enough for some of these guys. For whatever reason players keep wanting to attain the HP required to HT *without* HB, and that's when it becomes pricy because you need an additional 3k~ HP (guesstimate). Just tell ranged to wash 50 points and bring a DrK instead of making it easier to reach the HP needed to HT without HB.

 

It is quite understandable that a person who is ready to pour out hundreds of dollars on washing in GMS is also ready to put in the relatively little time and effort required to do it here.
In the same way, it's quite a road block for a person who never even spent a dollar on the game to realize that you need a long take-off distance before you can join the community you belived would still your crave for Nostalgia.

These two groups are like aliens from different planets and are not likely to ever understand each other unless a new form of common communication appears.

Let's continue the never-ending discussion about HP washing on a foreign planet where time stands still. See you there

 

Indeed @ the first part, but....I mean, is under 2 months (3.1kx50=155k, you get 240k per month for free, I exaggerated a LOT for the sake of playing pretend that it's *so* time consuming) really that long for somebody new who didn't HP wash on gMS? They still have to hit 155 and attain equips during that time too. In reality they can have enough resets to HT @ 155 within 20 days of joining the server lol.

My thing is, if they weren't involved with washing on gMS, their idea of nostalgia isn't going to be related to anything that requires HP washing on here because it would been required on gMS too. If they wanted to HT @ 155 on a ranged char on gMS they needed to HP wash (a minimum of) 50 points, and if they want to HT @ 155 on a ranged char. on rMS they need to HP wash (a minimum of) 50 points. People on here are misled because very few people bring HB out of necessity, so they think that they need to meet the minimum required HP to HT without HB, and that's when it becomes time consuming and expensive. It's a luxury to be able to HT without HB, not a necessity. We need to instill that mentality into our new (and old) players.

At least it's allowed to be discussed publicly and in-depth though!

 

And hyper body continues to lose value. People hp wash, hb availability declines and hp wash becomes the primary method to survive at bosses vs bringing a class which has lost a good amount of incentive to create.

Hp is not just a luxury, but a method to continually put nls and bms over other classes at bosses.

 

Bring a class with decent DPS and a skill that boosts your HP 60%?

No!!! Just give us higher HP so we don't have to bring the class that boosts it at all!!!