Is the royal community too harsh on you?

I feel like royals has been growing in expectations in terms of hp requirements, attack gears, classes to play and many more.

For example, attack gears such as 11atk cape, 15atk gloves, 8atk shoes, 81 attack claw is consider bad or not decent enough by people hence they would get excluded in boss runs. *People are expecting to have perfect weapon and perfect attack gears or something...

Nonetheless, I want to hear from the royal community itself, I would love to hear from all of you and the different perspectives!

 

To be frank, it also feels like the Royals community is quite cliquish. All the high-level players seem to know each other (+ the GMs), self-congratulating each other through smegas every other minute. Inevitable, perhaps, due to the small community size. Still, to an outsider the Royals community seems like a gated community.

From my (albeit limited) perspective, if you don't want to be judged by your stats, you should join a guild and ask for zak runs that way.

 

I can understand the pressure we (high levels) have given to new players and I do acknowledge that. Also, I do agree its cliquish because they do not want to play with randoms for varies reasons. These reasons might be because their level is low or simply too troublesome. As for boss runs, I think getting into a Guild or simply hosting one will be easier to make connections for future runs. To some extend, I feel like you do need some gears (decent ones should be enough for zak) before getting into boss runs. However, thanks for sharing and do you have any suggestions to make the community to be more inclusive?

 

Might just be me, but as someone who is in arguably the two guilds with the strongest players in the game, I don't really feel like there is much of an expectation for gear at all. I can see that there is somewhat of an expectation that players are washed enough to at least survive horntail without hb, but never once have I encountered a situation where a player was declined for a boss run due to not having good enough gear or a godly amount of hp. From my experience, people generally care more about if someone is an alright person or not when recruiting for boss runs, rather than the damage numbers they put out.
Naturally, strong people are gonna run with other strong people, but likewise, weaker people should also run together. I've seen people complain in the past about people not accepting weaker players to boss runs, and I can't know for sure as I'm not really a "weak" player myself, but I've always just thought that people who complain about not being accepted into boss runs are trying to get into boss runs with people significantly stronger than themselves, therefore being in a way guilty of the same crime. For example; If a lv140 NL asks to join a lv190-200 ht party, do they really have the right to complain if they don't get accepted, when it was their choice to reach out to a significantly stronger group of players? Again I don't have a lot of experience with weaker players, so i can't know for sure, but it makes no sense to me that say a 3k range nightlord would say no to another 3k range nightlord when recruiting for boss runs (unless the player is arrogant and wants to be carried i guess), and I doubt the amount of weaker players is so low that they are unable to find people at their own level to boss with.
One reason I think for people feeling like they are not strong enough/haven't washed enough, could be because of stuff like the damage range thread, where the top players are incredibly strong and well funded, and looking at it may make people feel weak, seeing how strong the top players are, but I feel like it's ones own fault if a weaker player chooses to compare themselves to the top 1% of players and feel bad about their damage/level/hp.
Again i might be wrong about some things here but that's just my general impression of things..

 

Its not just about your stats or job, people here are easily frustrated because of long grind without friends. Yes, royalers nowaday dont have fun grinding anymore because of leeching, everyone forced them self and other to makes a mage and solo leech. scroll being rare and easy to fall, hp washing pressure, bla bla.... for example, when Im in a guild, I was buying an item and offer a cheap price, people triggered and throw at me 100 lines of chat accusing me a scammer instead just type "lol that cost 20m at least" (yeah i was just buying a dark scroll for 10m).

The pressure is real and forced not only newbies but also long time players to quit. I tried like 5 other servers, met at least 20 person from royals each server, most of them told me they dont find this server is nostalgic Old version sure but the pressure of hp washing, and the feeling of being push out of a community of old players with certain jobs made them lonely on their journey to 200. The newer servers offer them less effort on hp washing plus less pressure, hence the bandwagon of leaving Mapleroyals.

The problem with Mapleroyals is its a low version, there are so many flaws but for nostalgia, they dont fix it. And the more you play, the more you feeling of being push out of a community of like 300 people.

P/S: Tbh I dont know what i wrote, i just felt like to throw up all my frustrated while playing Mapleroyals in this random thread.

 

To continue with what Martin is saying, I'm also a part of one of these guilds. I strongly believe you are right when you say there are cliques....because they are present. But more so, a lot of the higher level and more wealthy players all do know one another and have for a long time. The reason we run together is as simply put as we are friends. There are some of us who are not as wealthy as perhaps the top 10% but they still don't exclude/include people based on the stats of your gear. The simple fact of the matter is we recruit or join runs based upon who is online, available, and who isn't a dick.

 

The Royals community is pretty cliquey when it comes to gear, and the bar keeps rising for what's considered good. But, that's just a trend that would face any oldschool server. The simple reason is that Royals has stayed on the same patch for four (or five?) years. Any game that stays on the same patch for that long is going to burnout most players except the people who never get bored of upgrading their gear. More and more people will "perfect" the gear and the standards will keep rising to max out RNG based gear. The fact that voting for NX is so good rewards players who have played for many years, also raising the bar.

In short, I think Royal's lifecycle in terms of gear and community is exactly in line with what you would expect of an oldschool server. First it starts off as new feels like the old game everyone loved. The community feels alive and the game is in it's golden age. Royals seems like it's past that point so there's nothing really to do besides perfect your gear. That really sucks for new players, but I'm optimistic new updates might help with that.

TLDR: don't hate the player just hate the game

 

Royals is what you make of it. It's not hard to find a good group of people that'll accept you regardless of where you're at in the game.

i.e. I'm in the guild Radiance. I just made a new BM and my guildmates (like @Jasonxx )who are arguably pretty rich+strong are willing to carry me in boss runs even if I have no gears . @Sof hosts guild HT and invites any of us, as long as we can survive. @TheDel is a great merch who helps my poor non-merch self with p/c's and general game stuff.

I'm enjoying the game a lot more now because I am not worrying so much about maximizing my dps :^)

 

I do agree and believe low levels should be able to make their own connections and boss runs. However, I feel like sometimes stronger players set the bar really high for weaker players to reach. The weaker players would think those are the normal gears that they should aim for.

 

November 12 ,2016, I joined MapleRoyals. That was a fresh feeling when I encountered a nostalgia server which I had been searching for long time.

January 28, 2018, I unintentionally sold my perfect White Nisrock for max mesos. It might never be forgotten. My friends told me I was stupid to announce my failure on forums. I ever thought I would quit because that was huge loss for me(maybe not for some rich players) and suffered mocks from people. With some assistantce from friends, I overcame my failure. So I am still here now.

April 6, 2018, I decided to ban myself until May 4, 2018, because at that moment MapleRoyals reached to a stage where I couldn't continue to play. During my ban I realized. 若想改變世界，先改變自己。Change the world, change myself first.

Above are some significant events in my MapleRoyals journey, which is off topic. I'm going back topic now.

As a person who played 1.5 years, some new players consider me as a veteran, I just consider myself as a person who play longer than you, have more experience than you, and try best to assist you, as long as you ask for them kindly.

Most people buddy up with who they run bosses with often, but I have different considerations of choosing friends. I have been selling HTPQ service, leech service frequently, and receiving buddy request from my clients. I rejected them immediately because I feel more comfortable to be friend with who is talkative. And due to buddy list capacity, it's frustrating to choose someone to expel whenever a new person I met asks for buddying. I even wrote in my profile my buddy list rules, what has been considered inappropriate and removed. Some people considered me as an inhuman person for making my own buddy list rules, I totally admit that was what I did, and send my apology here. But do not misunderstand me, I really received too many buddy requests...

So most of my friends are not from boss runs, are talkative with me. We share play experience, share life, share happiness and sadness in buddy chat, instead of saying "nany, can you Zak?", "nany, can you HT?".

Compare with who play as long as me,or even shorter than me, I don't have quite decent gears, and my character isn't washed. Appreciate those who don't mind my embarrassing range and HP, took me for HT runs when they need SE (I'm a Bowmaster).

In view of my observation, people around me don't really mind range requirement when they look for attackers, we are just used to run bosses together, and establish trust on each other. Gradually make people think we keep distance from fresh bloods and make the community full of cliques.

 

To add on, stronger players will keep upgrading their gears because humans are not easily satisfied. Hence, rising the expectations.

 

I have better things to do than to spend 3 hours in a duo horntail because someone wasn't paying attention and forgot to manually use a potion, or they used flash jump into Head B, or they forgot to buy all cure potions before we started the run, or they forgot to recharge stars. It's not my job to teach you how to play the game -- I may choose to, if you have a good attitude, but I don't owe you shit. If you think you're entitled to waste my time, you can fuck right off.

I personally prefer running with players who have decent items, but are motivated to keep improving and that includes learning how to manuever their classes better e.g. learning when to cast Holy Shield as a Bishop during Zakum (it's right after Zakum casts Magic Cancel, so DPS don't lose time to seal from the lightning spell), understanding that the time spent moving away from fire pillars and ergo, avoiding stun is < time spent being stunned, these are examples of good attitude that in my opinion outweigh the advantage of better gear. Plus, I find these players are more understanding of occasional human error which we all make (myself included). I draw a fine line between incompetence and genuine mistakes though.

tl;dr -- Whether I would invite you to my runs depends on: Do I have time to waste or am I in a hurry to finish the run and do something else? Do you die due to poor mastery over boss mechanics that is unreasonable for a 1st attempt? Do you disconnect during boss runs? Do I hate myself?

 

I think stronger players just cliques with stronger players; weak players cliques with weak players (eventually will become strong as they work together). Is like a stage everyone have to go through (starts from bottom and work themselves up)- unless you have a friend that quit or something...

 

LOL, those questions are actually true. haha

 

I thought that every BM will be recruited to any boss run no matter how bad range you are?
All they need is SE so they would never reject a weak BM as long as he has a decent gears and maxed SE?

 

That is true but not the topic.

 

I would not say the community is harsh as long as a player got friends. But there are indeed d*** heads in royals.
This thread reminds me of a zak run experience.

At that time I was 150+, with 91 craven and decent gears, but I hadn't got tt 10 yet after like 10 zaks.
Someone smega'ed to recruit for zak. I pm'ed to join and told him I didn't have tt, but i have 91 craven and i will use apple. He said ok and told me to go to el nath.
About 20 min later, we were about to zak. But this dude kicked me cuz his friend said he/she didn't want someone without tt to join, didn't even say sorry.
He is a low dps class and I might have whited him even with lucky seven.
One or two days later I got tt 10, and 20 and 30 and mw 20. Byebye d*** heads.

I was in a Chinese sub-community when I played hero and NL. Everyone was welcome to the HT runs I recruited.

For those who encounter the problem the OP says, GET STRONGER or GET FRIENDS and enjoy the game.

 

Hey its me the "d***head" & I do remember that day. I only asked you if you had triple throw on the spot because we had someone who wanted to buy the book but my friends didnt believe me when I told them you only had "lucky 7" at the time.

When I asked you if you had triple throw on the spot it was to help you get priority on the skillbook instead but you left the party, defamed me, & ran off. Even though you didnt end up replying I pm'd you to come back aswell & even a grats on passing that tt30 & mw20 the same week! If I caused you a bad experience years ago it wasn't in my intentions and sorry.

 

Do people actually consider this gear to be bad?

All you really need is a decent guild/group of friends to keep you going. If it wasn't for my guild, I probably would have quit years ago. Never once have I, or have I seen anyone else ask for someone's range/equips prior to running a boss. Just this past month we ran HT knowing beforehand that someone in our party didn't even have any of their gear on them. My experience in royals has always been good throughout the many years that I've played because I've always surrounded myself with great people. All it takes is one other like-minded person to make playing this game worth it.

 

I think this stronger player/ weaker player is a stage in MapleRoyals that will always stay ..

I consider myself a long time player here, playing since 2014, have seen many current top players grow, get stronger and richer before my eyes. I myself, even though as old of a player I am, still using a 11att pgc, 9att shoes and 16att gloves and never had a single attack better .. Never had a perfect weapon, never could afford it. Many people assume I'm rich and strong but that's never the case, I never had more that 7b to my name and when I have money, I give it to my friends (buy random useless stuff from them to help them fund their perfect weapons / att gears) but I never had the trouble of finding boss runs with the people who are considered top .. The reason is not because I'm a bm or a hero (sed mule), reason is I'm friends with them.

No one can deny that we prioritise our friends before people outside of our circle regardless of them being stronger or weaker than our friends. You can argue that strong people are always friends with each other and that's true .. But the reason strongs are friends with one another is because they bossed together, grew together when they were weak (dates can go all the way back to 2013-2014) and became stronger and kept their friendships. Weaker players can became friends and boss with one another, get stronger themselves and the new era of new/weak players will complain about the same, "strong players are friends with other strong players and never inviting new weak ones"

This will go on for ever

My point is, no one prioritises strength but we care about friendships. We are friends who bossed together, got stronger and still boss together. Boss with people that needs connections/friends to boss with, become stronger with them and keep bossing.

Also would like to point out that the strong people who struggled before and made it are very nice people that understand the struggles (based on experience) and try to help out as much as they can .. The ones who got carried to the top are generally more rude when it comes to recruiting a weaker player. There are always exceptions to this where a veteran strong player can be arrogant towards weaker people cos they made it to the top and rest doesn't matter for them but seeing 1 person like that doesn't mean the entire server's strong people are the same. It's would be painting a picture with a single brush ... If you come across someone like that, move on, there are better people on this server who would go the extra mile ...