It was not revealed from the ban appeal of SinceFuture that entirely, which is the reason i misunderstood that none-private vpn/accelerator might cause some innocent players banned for the fault belonging to true cheaters. You can see I likeed Tim's post above, and i do appreciate his reply, im a reasonable man. But there still exist problems for players from China other than vpn/accelerator as you can see from others posts here. I think all Chinese players here are not seeking for the lift for any cheaters or the loop allowing them to be one. I think all Chinese players come here to seek an improvement, a way to fix the issues that bothering us, a foreigner friend to hear and understand our problems from where we stand, instead of their own old perspective.
@sparky95 i've played with you in old source and i'm not sure why there's a tinge of aggression in your replies. Race and nationality is a sensitive issue. Chinese users don't use the forums much and can't really defend themselves here, nor in-game when reported for ksing or whatever. Can we be more objective or perhaps phrase our words more carefully?
Well,I found someone broke rules but pretending to be innocent by using my thread.I declare here:This thread is never used to help offenders.I just wanna assitant those misbanned by using accesslators.
English： However, dear administrator, Tim, what is the basis for you to get this number of Chinese players? I'm not quite sure if there are other ways, but from a programmer's point of view, sorry, I think it's very likely that you just use the IP address and game registration email address to determine their country and region. From a game player perspective, this method is extremely unscientific and inaccurate, because I'm sure that the vast majority of Chinese are using accelerators or VPNs,but in the database , they are not Chinese .And not all of them use Chinese e-mail. In addition,as you can see,as everyone can see, if you try to use a Chinese email(like QQ email) to registe a forum account,you will find they are all forbideen. (LOL, why?). At the same time, as you can see, many of the above responses are answered by Chinese who are living abroad. If you ask them, I believe they will answer with great joy and pride:I am Chinese. Therefore, please don't come to a conclusion before using scientific investigation methods ,before you see it with your own eyes. The reason why I said that one-third of the royals are Chinese is that I have been playing this game for over half one year and my many roylas friends' experience , what I can hear and what I can see both prove it.The reason why you think it's not is that you can only play and make friends with those Chinese knowing English.If you know Chinese,you can start a new character, and then try to talk to everyone you met in Chinese ,and begin to count how many people are Chinese.Or you staffs just do a survey of population distribution in game.I believe that this number will definitely exceed your expectations. 中文： 然而，亲爱的管理员，Tim，你得到这个中国玩家数量的根据是什么？虽然我不太确定是否还有其他方法，但是从程序员的角度来看，抱歉，我认为很可能你只使用IP地址和电子邮件地址来确定他们所在的国家和他们所在的地区。从游戏玩家的角度来看，这种方法是极其不科学和不准确的，因为我确定绝大多数中国人都是在使用加速器或VPN的。但是在数据库中，他们不是中国人，并且不是所有的人都只使用中国的电子邮件。 此外，正如你所见，如所有人所见，如果你尝试使用中国的电子邮箱（例如QQ邮箱）注册一个论坛账号，你将会发现他们都被禁止使用。（哈哈，为什么？） 同时，正如你所看到的，以上有许多回答是由居住在国外的中国人回答的。如果你问他们，我相信他们非常乐意并且骄傲的说：我是中国人。因此，请不要在在你亲眼看到之前，请不要在使用科学调查方法之前，就妄下结论。 之所以我会说三分之一的玩家是中国人的原因，是因为我玩这个服务器已经有半年多了，是因为我很多朋友们的经历，我所看到的和我所闻都证明了这一点。你之所以认为不是的原因是，你只能和那些懂英文的中国玩家玩和交朋友。如果你懂中文，你可以创建一个新的角色，然后试着用中文和你遇到的每个人交谈，并开始数有多少人是中国人。我相信这个数字肯定会超出你的意料。 Nederlands： maar, lieve gm, Tim, deze cijfers over de aantal van de Chinese spelers, vanwaar komen deze cijfers? Ik weet niet zeker er nog andere manieren zijn om het op te zoeken, maar u methode, via ip en email adressen om spelers te idendificeren, is het niet juist. Veel Chinese spelers gebruiken vpn om te kunnen spelen, maar in u database zijn het geen Chinezen, en nogeens, niet alle Chinezen gebruiken Chinese emailbox. Buitendat, wat jij kan zien, ook de andere mensen kunnen zien, als je proberen met Chinese emailbox een account opmaken voor het forum, wordt het genegeerd, dus ze kunnen geen forumaccount opmaken met Chinese account! Er zijn veel andere Chinese speler in buitenland, dat zie je bij repy boven. Dus u vooroordeling is verkeerd. Mijn uitsprak van 1/3 spelers van de server, is op mijn speeltijd op deze server gebasserd, ik heb meer dan halve jaar gespeeld, mijn en de ervaring van mijn vrienden vertellen er meer Chinese spelers zijn dan je denken. Je kunt alleen met Engels sprekende Chinese speler communiceren, maar als je nieuwe account maakt, en proberen met een of twee Chinese woorden te communiceren, je zult verrast zijn. 日本語： 親愛なる管理人、Tim、あなたがこの中国のプレイヤーの数の根拠を得たのは何ですか？他の方法があるかどうかは定かではありませんが、プログラマーの立場から見れば、申し訳ありませんが、IPアドレスとメールアドレスだけを使って彼らの国と彼らの所在地を確定することができると思います。 ゲーマーの視点から見ると、この方法は極めて正確ではない。私はほとんどの中国人が加速器やVPNを使用していることを確信しているからです。しかしデータベースでは中国人ではありません。すべての人が中国の電子メールだけを使うわけではない。 また、あなたが见ているように、すべての人に见られるように。もしあなたは中国の電子メールアドレス（例えばQQメールアドレス）を使ってフォーラムのアカウントを登録することを試みるならば、あなたは彼らがすべて使用を禁止されていることを発見します。（はは、どうして？）また、あなたが见ているように、多くの回答は海外在住の中国人に回答しました。もしあなたが彼らに尋ねたら、私は彼らがとても喜んでいると信じています:私は中国人です。だから、自分の目で見る前に、科学調査の方法を使用する前に、勝手に結論を下してはいけません。だから、3分の1のプレイヤーは中国人の理由で、私がこのサーバーをプレイして半年以上あるからです。私の友達の経験と私の知っていることがすべてこれを証明しています。あなたが考えている理由は、英語を理解する中国のプレイヤーと遊んだり、友達になります。もしあなたが中国語を知っているなら、新しいキャラクターを作って、中国語で出会ったすべての人とチャットして、何人か中国人がいます。あるいはあなた達のGMはゲームの中で1つの人口地区の調査をして、私はこの数字があなたの予想を超えることができると信じています。 Deutsche Sprache： Lieber Administrator, Tim, was ist die Basis für die Anzahl der chinesischen Spieler,die du bekommst? Obwohl ich mir nicht sicher bin, ob es andere Möglichkeiten gibt. Aus der Sicht des Programmierers tut mir leid, dass es sehr wahrscheinlich ist, dass Sie nur IP-Adressen und E-Mail-Adressen verwenden, um ihr Land und ihre Region zu bestimmen. Aus der Sicht des Spielers ist diese Methode extrem unwissenschaftlich und ungenau, weil ich sicher bin, dass die große Mehrheit der Chinesen Beschleuniger oder VPNs benutzt. Aber in der Datenbank sind sie nicht chinesisch, und nicht alle Leute benutzen nur chinesische E-Mail. Soweit du weisst sogar alle Menschen wissen，wenn Sie versuchen, sich mit einer chinesischen E-Mail-Adresse (z. B. QQ Mail) für ein Forum-Konto zu registrieren, werden Sie finden，dass sie alle verboten sind. (Haha, warum?) Gleichzeitig können Sie finden, dass viele der oben genannten Antworten von im Ausland lebenden Chinesen beantwortet wurden. Wenn Sie sie fragen, glaube ich, dass sie sehr glücklich und stolz sind zu sagen: Ich bin Chinese. Deswegen gehen Sie bitte nicht daher nur nach dem Äußeren，bevor Sie mit eigenen Augen sehen und wissenschaftlichen Untersuchungsmethoden verwenden. Warum ich so sage,dass ein Drittel der Spieler Chinesen sind? Der Grund liegt daran, dass ich mehr als ein halbes Jahr auf diesem Server spielt habe sowie die Erfahrungen meiner Freunde. Was ich sah und was ich hörte, bewies das Dieser Punkt. Der Grund, warum Sie das nicht glauben ist, dass Sie nur mit chinesischen Spielern,die Englisch verstehen, spielen und Freundschaft schließen können. Wenn Sie Chinesisch sprechen können, können Sie einen neuen Charakter erstellen und versuchen, mit jedem, den Sie treffen, auf Chinesisch zu sprechen und zu zählen, wie viele Menschen Chinesisch sind. Of GM doet een demografisch onderzoek in de game. Ich glaube, diese Zahl wird Ihre Erwartungen definitiv übertreffen.
If there aren't so many Chinese in this server,it won't be so many people in these two chat grounp. If there aren't so many Chinese in this server,if using accesslators isn't the commly problem,even if they don't have to use vpn even if they are living in abroad now,it won't be so many royals friends are willing to help me to translate these words.(Yes,the above translations aren't translated easily by google but polished by persons) Deutsche Sprache Nederlands： 日本語： chat group：
As a programmer and a gamer player,I totally understnad and respect you staffs' decisions and judgements,and also ashamed with those who are Chinese but breaking game rules,and also don't intend to prove who is or isn't innocent,and also don't request to cancel ip ban.What I wanna express it: 1.Rules are created by man and work for man.They shouldn't make law-abiding people feel worried,and are supposed to be used to punish those violating rules. 2.Chinese,who count a large number in this server,can only use public vpn,which leads to be misbanned easily. 3.According to this thread ( https://royals.ms/forum/threads/do-not-use-public-vpn-services-for-mapleroyals.73925/ ) ,if it isn't the first time to be misbanned for public vpn(even if you staffs know he/she is innocent after checking),they won't be unbanned,which is prettry unfair for most law-abiding Chinese. Rules should serve players and benefit players rather than causing the situation what I said.Therefore,I'm here to represent all law-abiding Chinese players in this server to request staffs to reconsider to change a little about this rule,to unban those players who are indeed innocent but getting banned permanently just because of using public vpn even if it isn't the first time.
You're not abiding by the rules of the game if you are using a public vpn, in the thread you pasted it clearly states what will happen if you use public vpns.
已经有很多中国人一再强调过，在我们这个国家很多互联网资源是无法访问的，甚至不使用VPN我们连游戏账户都无法创建，也无法投标 为什么一定非得要有这条规则的存在？就只是为了解决多投问题吗？ 在处理多投问题上，能不能使用更准确有效的方式呢？比如让研发提供一个投票用的windows 程序，这个程序用来跳转到投票页面，每次运行程序需要登录个人账户，更主要的是，这个程序在登录的时候可以上传PC的HWID (BIOS UUID)，甚至可以上传更多区分用户的信息，难道不好吗？ 你们应该也知道IP地址是可以变更的，MAC地址也是可以修改的，所以如果mapleroyals的启动程序也可以集成采集HWID的功能，是不是更有助于解决很多Ban Appeal问题？ Many Chinese people have repeatedly emphasized that many Internet resources in our country are inaccessible. Even without VPN we cannot even create a game account.，Also unable to vote. Why do we have to create this rule? Is it just to solve the problem of Vote Abuse? Can we use more accurate and effective methods to deal with Vote Abuse? For example, let developer provide a voting Windows program. This program is used to jump to the voting page. Each time the program is run, it needs to log in to the personal account. More importantly, this program can upload the HWID (BIOS UUID) of the PC when logging in. It can even upload more information to distinguish users, is it not good? You should also know that the IP address can be changed, and the MAC address can also be modified. So if mapleroyals's startup program can also integrate HWID collection functions, is it more helpful to solve many problems with Ban Appeal?
I dont feel bad for someone caught with 26 accounts that were being used to potentially fund RWT sites. If you believe the persons story then I have a bridge to sell you bud.
Why is it that Chinese players have completely closed themselves off from the rest of the community here? Id have loved to have gotten to know more Chinese players, but far too many of you guys stick to your own special Forum and chat rooms never bothering to mingle with the rest of us.
I know it seems silly but: 1. there are people misbanned due to vpn/vps services as revealed in some ban appeals really not hard to find one example. 2. in the orgional ban appeal of the man we talking bout, there werent details as sufficient as what Tim explained here. (of course Tim is not obliged to explain it by Game Terms' thinking, and so the misunderstanding came along) 3.people trying to believe shall never get the mock from you, it is their free will and rights whether to choose to believe or not bout what you dont believe personally. moreover, they turned out to be the victim whose kindness got used by a cheater, will it reveal ur higher IQ by looking down upon them? 4. 3. is not for the people knowing the truth still trying to cover the treaters.
I believe that's due to communication barrier faced by most of them. It can get pretty uncomfortable communicating in a language that you're not good at.
Thats very possible. But i feel like its a bad excuse if thats their reason. We have sweeds danes brazilians and loads of other cultures and languages here, but the chinese community seems to be the only one who have broken off on their own. Im a pretty inclusive person. I enjoy experiencing other cultures and languages, and other peoples experiences in life. it all fascinates me. Seeing one countries community decide to seperate off on their own always confused me when everyone else seems to enjoy mingling with each other around here.
Could be a multitude of reasons but I'll go with language as being the main issue. Most can't speak good english and are afraid to show their weak side. I too wish that there could be more inclusion, and I'm sure many of us do as well...
I could be very wrong, but having a special chatroom can help to communicate effectively with one another in mandarin. Unlike other languages, it is incredibly frustrating to try to type out their preferred language using alphabets which is the only method that is available in game. They would use these platforms to exchange their ideas/information about the game and eventually it just grows from there. This is not really found elsewhere, including the official forum. I have guild members who are from china and if you are able to communicate with them, they are very passionate and helpful, similar to others in the server. As someone who doesn’t use english as first language, it’s just really difficult to open up to others in a language that you are not too familiar with. It’s not impossible, but just more difficult than others. Think about how expats communities are formed in other countries. It’s not uncommon for people with similar background, language, culture to form a clique.
私は管理人は中国のプレイヤーに対してとても友好的ではないと思います。ネットの問題で、彼らはVPNを使うことしかできないので、管理人は彼らにこの問題を解決するように助けてみるべきだと思います。これは私の個人的な観点です。彼らはとても友好的だと思います。
