1. It seems to me that BWG would be a better option for a godly WA work glove, with a potential 21WA WG (if you save up like crazy for an insane amount of 10% scrolls and white scrolls), why do most people end up with well-scrolled SCG instead? Is it due to BWG being extremely rare or the hassle of scrolling that many slots or some other reason I may have overlooked? 2. Which Gacha can we get BWG from? Thanks
Some people do have 21 bwgs. Right now, your money is better spent on chaosing pac/fs than whiting a glove. Not to mention you can count on one hand the number of people with perfect weapons.
You answered your own question. Scrolling a 20 Atk Stormcaster Gloves is a fraction of the price for 1 less Atk. You'd have to be very tryhard to spend that much money on one Atk. There are much better ways to spend your money. You can get Brown Work Gloves at Henesys' Gachapon.
Ahh your replies make a lot of sense haha thanks for your replies Ague & Plenty Haha yeah I also had the initial impression that perfect weapons are really rare but I figured out the reasons why they aren't flaunted is 1. they won't be for sale on FM or forums as people would want to keep hold of them, and 2. if they're flaunted, people are likely to just go HAXXXXX and report them without thinking lol.
Well, illuminate is trying to sell his skis so that's why everyone knows of them. I've only seen those, a claw, and a sword. But yeah, the only time you'd white a bwg is if you finished perfecting your weapon (or got lucky and landed 4-5 30%s and just wanted to finish it). Not many people gach at henny these days. I haven't seen one for sale in months.
While it's a bit off topic, I disagree with this statement, so I decided to figure out the cost. I have yet to see one perfect weapon for sale, and I'm willing to bet that few enough people have this kind of money to make that statement accurate. We all know it doesn't make sense to straight out 10%s white scroll from slot one. I think it's generally agreed that 3 30%s is the go-to number before you either quit and sell it, cheap out and 60% the rest, or man up and white scroll 10%. Since I'm an archer, I'll use bow 30%s, which are 13-15m each. Call it 14 because averages, which is generous because if you're attempting to do this in anything less than a month you're going to inflate them thanks to the already small supply. Statistically, it takes 37 (actually 37.037037) attempts to pass 3 30%s. - 11 attempts pass on the first scroll -3 attempts pass on the second scroll -1 attempt passes on the third scroll that's (37 + 11 + 3 =) 51 used 30%s, another 714 million. For spears and one handed swords, this is comparable as those prices are only a little lower. For two handed swords it's an entire white scroll less. For wands and claws it's MUCH more. If you hit 3 30%s on a perfect base weapon before switching to 10%s, and using the current price of white scrolls (~200m, assuming you bought them over a long enough period of time to not inflate the price) a perfect weapon is going to take (4 slots * 10 attempts per slot = 40 white scrolls) 8 billion mesos, just in worth of white scrolls to make. I'll ignore the price of 10%s since they're under 500k for every weapon except claws. Finally, come to the cost of the perfect base weapons. I've been smega'ing 4-5 times a day for the last month "buying nisrocks" in various iterations, and haven't even been whispered about a single 104 attack, let alone been able to offer on one. Now I have to buy 37 of them? In twenty hours at petris, I've found 10 nisrocks. 2 hours per bow drop is 40 hours to get ONE with the godly chance, and assuming that every attack within the godly range is even chance, that's 160 hours (statistically) to find a 104 attack. Now I have to find 37 more. Sure, it would be faster on a mage. Someone go tell the mages to grind at petris (or the final ToT map) and sell me 104 nisrocks for 100m a piece. In that case, I'm still spending another 3.7 billion on nisrocks. And these are NISROCKS. Just imagine the cost of a single 110 attack Dragon Shiner Bow. So to total up the cost of making one perfect bow: 700 million in 30%s 8 billion in white scrolls couple million in 10%s 3.7 billion or 5,920 hours spent hunting in bows Assuming current market prices (and that I guessed correctly at 104 atk bow prices) a perfect nisrock would cost me 12.45 Billion mesos to make. Sure, there are rich people around in the server, but the kind of people who can (and HAVE) throw(n) that much at a single item (not to mention the cost of their cape/shoes/glove/etc gear, if this is cost efficient for them) I feel confident saying you can count on one hand. For perspective, that's 277 hours of leech at 45m per hour - the high end of the pricing spectrum according to most smegas I see. Sure, they're not "that" hard to come by. I gach at hene every time, when I actually gach (which is admittedly rare.) I've sold two BWG in the last three weeks.
Complicates the simple math above, because I could disregard the boom chance before, because "boom" and "fail" meant the same thing. If you're doing that, then remove 20 white scrolls - cutting costs from 8 billion to 4 billion. Now add back in 3 white scrolls for the first 30 (because generosity - 3.33333% for free~), and 3 white scrolls for the second 30 (6 * 200m = 1.2). Since you're using whites, we can discount the regular fail chance, and just say there is an equal chance to boom, or to pass. So consider that you're going to boom one bow on the 4th scroll for every bow you pass on the 4th, and boom one on the 5th for every one you pass on the 5th. It's actually more likely to boom than pass, but again - generous. That's two bows you need to be at the 5th scroll, so that's 4 bows you need to be at the 4th scroll. And remember, it took 37 attempts to get to the 4th scroll, so that ~700 million in scrolls is now * 4 (2.8 billion) and you now need to find a whopping 204 bow 30%s (i've been buying every one under 15m in free market for about a month, plus smega'ing and the aforementioned gacha at hene that's got me 53) and oh, the 37 nisrocks we needed is now *4 as well. So that 3.7 billion or 5,620 hours is now 14.8 billion or over 22,000 hours in hunting just to find bows. So instead of 8 + .75 + 3.7 = 12.45 we now have 2.8 + 14.8 + 4 + 1.2= 22.8 billion to make a perfect bow. Even if you only white +30'd the 4th slot, you still double your bow costs and scroll costs (7.4 and 1.5) while only removing 2b from your white scroll costs and come out at 14.9 billion to make a perfect bow. Of course I'm now curious, so assuming you only did 2 30%s, you would take your # of attempts from 37 down to only 11. that actually saves you almost 500m in scrolls, and 2.6 billion in bows, meaning it's worth it to 10% the third slot as well (1.1 in bows + 10 in whites + .2 in 30's = 11.3.) It's not worth it to 10% the second slot, as the savings in bows is only ~800m which doesn't make up for the added white scroll costs.
While I agree with most of this, perfect equipment is not at all hard to make if you have the right mindset in terms of time versus money. I would like to rebuttel your statement, but this thread really is about weapon attack and Work Gloves.
I would personally White Scroll after the first 30% with White Scroll and finish up until +3 went through then finish all with 10% White Scrolls simply due to scarcity of 30% and clean perfect weapons.
Too lazy to do the math, but for those of us whose endgame weapon drops at skeles (even though I only found 2 83 att king cents from 120-167), would it be a better option? Knuckle 30% are quite common, even though the price is pretty high considering how many people buy them (Like 10 of us? Our scrolls should not be the cost of sword scrolls. It's BS). If I don't craft a decent dragon knuckle in the next month, I may try to 30+white my godly cents from the first slot.
-3 perfect bows & 3 30%s per 1st slot (lets call this "an attempt") You spend 3 white scrolls per "attempt" to get a result out of the second slot. One attempt fails and one attempt succeeds (6 whitescrolls, 6 30%s + 6 bows + 6 30%s) You spend 3 white scrolls again to get a result out of the third slot (6 white scrolls 6 30%s + 12 whites + 12 30s + 12 bows + 12 30s) I wasn't clear on whether you meant to pass three more 30s or to stop at +3 and white/10 the last 4 slots. In the later case, you can now add 8b (40 whites) to 3.6b (whites used so far) 420m (30%s) and 1.2b (bows) = 13.2 billion for perfect. If you meant to pass 3 30s using whites, and 10% the last three slots, I'm not even going to do the math, because you're using more whites to get to that point than you're saving on the 4th slot. I can hazard a guess that it lands around 18b. And again, for my own curiosity - if you didn't attempt the 3rd 30, you spend 6 whites + 12 30s + 6 bows, for 1.9b, then 5 white-scroll-10's for 10b, giving us 11.9b = the second most efficient option (behind 2 30's without whites, and white scroll 10 the rest) to make a perfect bow.
White+30% a godly king cent to +5 then 10%+white the rest, versus naked 30% +3 then 10%+white the rest.
If getting a godly King Cent like that is difficult and get and considering that your King Cent is the last piece of equipment you need for a godly character, I'd would 30% the first then White Scroll until either +3 or +4. Paying 1b more for a perfect weapon that you can use for however long you have that character is worth it in my opinion. Waiting upwards of a month for a perfect bow is way too long in my opinion and people can make a completely perfect weapon within that time frame. White Scrolls are relatively common so there's not much hassle to get a bunch of those as well as some 30%s.
If you're hunting them, then of course the best option is to pass 30s before starting to white scroll because you ignore the exponential cost - the perfect clean weapons - and you cut down on the high linear cost (the whites) at the expense of a low linear cost (30%s). Whether this actually becomes PRACTICAL versus just being efficient depends on what attack clean king cent you're willing to settle for. The most cost-efficient route, if you read my wall of texts above, is actually passing 2 30s without white scroll, then passing 5 10s with white scroll. This, statistically takes 11 knuckles. The most knuckle-efficient route (ie, takes the least number of clean weapons) would be to white scroll 10 the whole way (ridiculous) and the most knuckle-efficient route that is still cost efficient is to pass a 30 without whites, 30 the second with whites, then white and 10 the rest of the way. This statistically takes 6 knuckles, and costs an extra 600m if knuckles are 100m each. This is more cost-efficient than the first option, if knuckles cost over 220m. Even if you're only willing to settle for perfect, it would not be cost efficient to white + 30 from the first slot, unless perfect king cents individually cost more than 2 white scrolls to begin with which I consider unlikely, them being a skele drop and the low demand accounted for. That is never the most efficient option, either in cost of scrolls + equips, (unless perfect knuckles cost less than 1/3 of a white scroll) or in the number of knuckles used (ever). I haven't been waiting upwards of a month for a perfect bow because I'm attempting to save money on them, I've been waiting upwards of a month for a perfect bow because there are no perfect bows on the market.
The number of godly clean king cents that you will boom before reaching +5 (using the first method) seems painful. Just imagine booming a +4 king cent with a ws 30...
Seems less painful than failing a few dozen 10+whites. I currently have a +3, 4 slot cent that's godly but not perfect. How should I finish it? yolo 60 for a 'good' weapon, or white+60 for a great weapon to hold me over until I can perfect one?
