I have recently noticed that a lot of leech buyers for petris ask for my level. My AM is currently at lvl 176 and almost everyone who asks for my level then declines the leech saying that 17x is too high. I believe that the level when buying leech should only be secondary, the most important aspects of buying leech should always be the sellers ability to maximize spawn killing (with tc or without). A lvl 200 AM who can kill spawns efficiently can still provide more experience than a lvl 16x seller that is not as efficient. Also this response to high leveled AMs/Bishops selling leech is quite demotivating for sellers and I know a lot of AMs that have stopped leveling (kill themselves intentionally) to still be able to sell leech at a low level. For me, this is not fun and every Bishop or AM should not have to consider to stop leveling just to sell more leech. Of course, the leech buyer can decide who they buy leech from, but in many cases there is more to it than just the level of the Bishop/AM Any thoughts on this?
If "skill" is a constant (1 hit + telecast), why would I pay the same amount for someone who will take more XP from me?
Honestly it sucks but coming from both sides, I feel that it's fair to peg the leech rate to exp gain. Skill is something subjective and is reliant on carving a name for yourself, but level is something very objective that anyone can see. It's incredibly shallow to assume that you'd give less exp compared to a less skilled but lower levelled AM, but it's just how things are go since it is the most obvious factor in a buyers' consideration. There are a ton of telecasters either not doing the right rotations, essentially wasting their effort, and telecasters that don't even telecast after the first 10 minutes of leech.... The people who kill themselves to stay at a level are playing with the knowledge and intention of giving the best leech and so they'd naturally garner more demand for their services. Don't feel dejected though, play the class you like and continue levelling.
In my opinion, level of seller is crucial in determining the exp rate. In general, EXP rate= monsterkilled rate X exp per mob. And level of seller is a variable in exp gain per mob by buyer. In the case of level 150seller vs 180seller. Exp per mob by 150seller is 20% more than 180level. People might argue with this statement but it is the fact. If not why is level 120bs only allowed to sell low level leech at wraiths etc and not level 130 140s. So in order for seller of 170-180 level, they have to increase their monster killed rate by 20% in order to make up for the loss. People might say they are experienced seller and what not. But the fact is that if level 170-180seller can increase their kill rate by 20%, so can a level 150 seller. So it is flawed to say that level 170 and above seller is experienced and so has better exp rate. From experience where i have heard stories from my friends of around 105-120level, high level mages(175 and above) exp rate is poor. Like one level per hour at 110+. But then again. I have heard friends who got leeched from level 140s petri seller and only got like 28mil+exp/h split. And is trash. To conclude, if experienced high level mages have the skills, so can low level mages. What i do is i give my best every leech so people will come back and buy my service
Ideally, this would be solved by buying per exp gained (i.e. 2-2.5mesos/exp at Petri/Skele). This would prevent a lot of issues and would be fair and snuff out all these crappy leechers, but it'd be a hassle since you'd likely want to share a screenshot of before and after leech. This would be my preference though, but people prefer the easier route.
Leech are paid in the beginning . Thus the best way to know if the seller is (probably) worth the meso for their service is their level or price , given that their are strangers . If they have reputation like @Nostalgia123 or @Venin , then you will know they are worth the meso despite their level . Conclusion : Nobody will discriminate if you price your leech lower or show proof (having a good reputation) that you are worth the meso/time. Don't blame it on discrimination if you are trying to sell leech at the same price of sellers who are 20-30 levels lower . or git gud
This ^. Essentially, you should charge lower because your level is higher. If you're truly good enough for it not to matter quite as much, then you'll begin to build a reputation as a good leecher and can start charging premium rates and people won't complain. You can't compete against a well known good leecher and expect to get the same rate, cuz I wouldn't want to pay 80/160 at Petri from an unknown leecher, even if their level was somehow as low at 130
hope theres a forum post or guild for "certified sellers" those sellers with good reputation and skill, so the buyers can have trust they're buying the best there is in the market. But as most of the people above said, just lower the price if your higher lv and people will still buy.
I bought leech from a lv180+ f/p mage. he gave me more exp than a random lv140+ mage btw. It's mostly about who is the mage, not what level he/she is. Time and time again I tell people that exp/mob is nothing. it means absolutely nothing. exp/hour is the gauge u should take reference to.
I remember buying leech from a 19x mage once and it was pretty meh exp. It'd be interesting to know how much exp from each kill a 105 buyer gets from a low, mid and high level mage.
The exp isn't 20% more, the formula is based on your own lvl/the whole party level. Say you have 1 lvl 110 buyer in petri and 1 lvl 150 fp mage. You'd have 110/(110+150)=around 0.42 The exp you'd gain is around 42% of what the seller get Now if you had a lvl 180 mage, and 1 level 110 buyersthe exp you'd gain will be 110/(110+180)= around 0.38 You'd get 38% of what the seller get and about 10% less exp than what you'd get per mob with a level 150 buyer. With a split leech the difference is even less because if counts the level of the other buyer too
I've personally sold countless hours of leech on my Archmage which is level 191 now. Many buyers have said that even though I am higher leveled, that they gain the same if not more exp/hr compared to inexperienced or lazy / bad lower level Archmages. People who choose not to buy your leech will just have to miss out on your services if they are above par compared to others. I've never been turned down from a buyer because of my level. Having HS / Haste / MW20 is also a very key point in the petri map.
I agree with many who have posted before me. I have a 194 AM and I know for a fact that I am giving more exp now than when i was 16x because I no longer loot top and btm platforms and I have learnt to telecast as well as acquired full speed/jump gears. I have done calculations to compare a 160AM vs a 190AM at petri and the difference in per petri is only about 8% for split when level of leecher is 110 each. As their levels increase, that difference becomes even more insignificant. I also understand the pain of OP as I have been rejected on countless occasions because of my level. But I guess what's most infuriating is how uninformed buyers may be about exp gain and level of seller. If you are interested, you can use this formular specifically meant for split petri leech - 6825*(lvl of buyer)/(avg lvl of the party)
I feel like recently, there is a wave of buyers that gang up and forced us to sell leech for lowered price. 14/22 of my buyers that pmed me in 3 days ask about my level and said that i should sell 120/60 at lvl 159 because 150/75 is for 13x only. Some buyers are using our self high standard to abuse us. Well if you ready to be abused that way, giving 36m+ exp split per hour for 120m then continue. For myself, i already sold all my int equips and made a 7att pgc, gotta enjoy the game the right way rather than satisfy the greedy demand of those pesky buyers.
You as the seller have the right to decline selling leech to anyone who doesn't want to buy at the price you sell at. You know what you are capable of, and if you believe that you are worth 150/75, then you better stick to your guns and not cave in to them. I'll never let a buyer dictate the price that I would sell leech at. Unless you are truely desperate for a buyer. But caving in to them will only hurt you. Not the buyers who are getting more for less. Stick to what you're worth.
im lvl 195 and ive been selling leech for 600 hours now. I just ignore the ppl who ask my lvl, i still manage to sell 6 hrs of leech on the days im not working or uni.
