What does map-owner entitle you to?

The problem is the other person isn't walking 'invisibly', but rather the they visible and messing up your pace / rhythm of playing? i wouldn't mind if that person is invisible / afk, but not walking and jumping around messing with my rhythm / pace.

 

They aren’t physically in your way and they aren’t physically messing up your pace or rhythm. You can use the map identically to how you would if they were not there. Hence why they are comparable to an invisible person-they present no physical obstacle.

 

Yes, they are visually disruptive and messing with the others training rhythm, and the point is we both having diff definition of 'Disruptive' tbh.

 

No one is being banned for simply being in someone elses map.

As far as I'm aware, no one, period, has been banned for simply being in someone elses map. Mapowner was designed to protect peoples ability to grind/hold onto ownership of area bosses, and people get banned when they KS or harass the mapowner.

Edit: The idea is if Mapowner wants you to leave, and you choose to ignore them and KS, or you fight back and argue/harass them, that's why people get banned. I've said this before, you won't get banned for AFK'ing in someone elses map, and I don't think anyone here is that petty to try and get someone banned for those reasons.

You have to remember, when people appeal, they aren't going to admit to foul play (usually). The reason some of the appeals look like they're just being banned for being in the map is because people (read: other people not involved) can't see the reported screenshots/chat logs/videos.

 

Wrong. I already answered this for you.

https://royals.ms/forum/threads/what-does-map-owner-entitle-you-to.125660/page-2#post-715770

Post #25
Player was banned for KSing despite the GM saying he wasn't attacking in the map. A direct quote from the GM himself:

"But what the reporter reported you for was not leaving his map. I repeat, and read this carefully again, because I don't like repeating myself a thousand times - not leaving his map when requested to, and being shown map ownership belonging to him. ."
"originally banned you for 3 days (for hate speech), only to have reviewed it again and extended your ban by another 3 days (for KS included)"
"I won't remove your KS ban just because of that."
"TLDR: You are banned 3 days for use of those words I mentioned in the 1st page, and you're also banned another 3 days (total of 6 days) for refusing to respect the map owner's wish to leave the map (this KS ban has nothing to do with Lyka), and continuing using those hate speech words."


GM clearly states that the ban was for not leaving the map when requested to even though he didn't attack. The harassment ban was for 3 days, and the "KSing" ban despite not attacking was also for 3 days. Care to apologize? Feel free to read through the ban appeal I am referencing to clarify that I am correct.

 

The difference is "being in the map" and "being disruptive" ( I know, we're going full circle ). Mapowner isn't going to ask you leave if you aren't bothering them.

People may disagree with what counts as being disruptive, but that's why it falls back onto mapownership and their ability to ask you to leave. You have to look at what people are doing in the map.

 

Player was banned for his disruption (harassment/hate speech) separately, it was a 3 day ban.

On top of that ban he received another 3 day ban for not leaving the map despite not attacking, as shown in the quote by the GM above.

Further, your claim that nobody would care if somebody is just in their map doing nothing is proven untrue by the player above in this exact thread (like two posts above yours) who claims that anybody just being in his map is being "visually disruptive and messing with the others training rhythm" (direct quote from post #43) regardless if they are attacking or not.

 

(for anyone curious, this is the appeal being talked about : https://royals.ms/forum/threads/acct-blocked.124082)

(I was going to post a really long response, I don't really feel like this should turn into a huge back and forth thing).

Either way, I don't think this situation should be used for... much of a standard... It's overtly complicated and I can't share most of the evidence, so I don't know how much of a point I can really make here anyways, if I wanted to. I'm just going by what I can see in the logs, and nothing says people have been banned for "simply being in a map", it's always tied to something else, which is why i said what I said.

Bottom line, people should respect mapowner. Obviously things happen, tempers flare, stuff gets complicated, but the reason mapowner exists is because it gives a clear cut answer to who owns the map, and therefore some security to the people. I would assume the people who threaten reporting, even if nothing has happened, is because they feel something might happen, and they might not be able to adequately gather the evidence to report someone for KS'ing.

 

Just to clarify, does this mean that if the Mapowner asks you to leave but u just afk there, or ignore them but dont ks or say anything, at most just climb to the rope or ladder, u wont be banned? or is walking around also considered disruptive?

 

They feel something is going to happen, and so reports. But did anything actually happen? Was he ksed or harrasted?
Even if he was harrased by the “ban appealer”, that was because he was being such a dick, disrespecting that guy.

If someone were to say that to me, i feel that he is NOT respecting me. What did I do that I deserve such harsh treatment? I did nothing but asked to go away?.... rude....

Someone being rude to me, I react (he PERSONALLY FEELS harrased by this). And I deserve a ban for the reaction?

Just because he feels so insecure and therefore he has the right to ask me to go away?

 

No and no.

I've read this thread and the bottomline is this, if you are polite and act civil, you will never get banned. If mapowner asks you to cc, just cc, dont argue and say "i am staying here because i can". If someone says something rude to you, just ignore it and dont challenge or react. It's just as simple as that.

 

I believe the main point they are trying to make is this:
If a mapowner is asking you to leave, then that means they may be getting distracted by you (yes, even if you're just standing there, etc). Every person is different with what disrupts them. I know that if someone is in my map, I continually watch them to see if they move or do something (usually to see if they might start KSing). This is why it can be disruptive for others. It's an online world. No matter what a person says they will or will not do, you never know their true intentions.
TLDR; if someone is mapowner and asks you to change channels, just go ahead and change channels.

 

'cc or get banned' culture is so toxic lol

Yet sadly, people do it because it works. It bugs me to no end when I'm walking through a map and get hit with a 'leave or get banned' on route to my actual destination. It is only natural to see other players in a server with the population as large as Royals. I view this mindset to much more 'disruptive' than the person who happens to be in your map for X minutes or Y seconds. There is just no need for it unless someone is actually KSing you on your 'owned' map. Let's stop this strategy from being effective.

 

Like I said if the person is afk all the time in my map i wouldnt be care, but not running & jumping around and try to annoy me (that my defination of disruptive) so why ppl want to moving & jumping around in the other ppl training map except those are passing by?, and i never tell the other to leave my map if they are just passing by or choose to afk in my map.

 

If someone says that to me. I will get a screenshot and then cc, followed by reporting them for malicious behaviour and I feel offended.

They try to ban me just for their cancerous behaviour, i make sure they get a taste of their own medicine.

 

A report abuse of this nature is literally just wasting the GM's time.

 

And so a dick behaviour is accepted?
One can submit a report if they feel offended verbally.
I would honestly feel very offended if someone chooses to be a dick and says this.

If you are saying feeling offended is my personal problem/insecurity, this loops back to the entire question - they are asking me to cc because they PERSONALLY FEEL unsafe and that is their problem given that I haven’t done anything at all.

And I believe most people would agree that it is more unacceptable to say something malicious, compared to being in a map not afk/ksing.

If one of these cases is bannable, it should be the former.

 

The person owning the map is entitled to telling you to CC. They don't have to say it in a rude way, but most do. Your petty report on them for literally telling you to CC is actually wasting time. Why? Because its not against the TnC to be told to CC. Maybe if they say something around the lines of "go **** off you piece of ****", would reporting them be warranted.

You are entitled to being offended with whatever you choose offends you. But simply being offended, doesn't make the words bannable.

You can either A) Be the bigger person and just leave, B)Respectfully tell them you are passing through and leave or C) Get offended. Not be the owner of the map. Cuss them out and not leave. Get reported for actually violating the TnC.

 

As OP is banned, and several comments in the thread have derailed to personal attacks and I don't see a reason to keep this open, additionally, there has been staff input (besides mine) on this answering the question at hand, the thread has served it's purpose.

If people want to continue to discuss mapowner they are welcome to make a new thread.