30k HP Corsair. Washing help.

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    I know that there are a million posts about HP washing in the forum but I cannot find anything about getting a corsair to 30k hp. Most of the guides I read are about getting a corsair to 9k hp or 5.5ish.

    I have been told that its pretty simple to dodge these 1/1 attacks by bosses so having low hp as a corsair doesn't really matter and its actually better to get as much hp as you can.
    If I want 30k hp as a corsair by level 150 roughly, how exactly would I go about it? like literally how much base INT would I need, What INT equips would be best with how much total INT from all equips, how much money would I need to spend completely for the AP resets and the INT gear.

    When would I start taking out of MP and putting in to HP?

    Basically im looking for some detailed help on how to get to a corsair to 30k hp. I have made a bishop as my first char to make the mesos to fund it so would like to have a target in my head that I need to reach. I have also started saving NX to purchase some AP resets.

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    So since update 54, Pirates gain additional 900 HP from Job advancements and 500 HP from HP quest series.

    Meaning you can reduce the goal HP to 30000- 900 - 500 = 28600 HP at lvl 150

    Lets start from lvl 1 pirate with 50 HP and 5 MP

    If we punch the values we got into Shiyui's calculator...
    [​IMG]

    I'm going to suggest not using ANY int gear in this context because ....
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    Even if we assume you have 100 int gears from lvl 1 to 150, the difference in cost is only about 500m when we are dealing with ~34b in total cost. It'll cost more than 500m to just buy those int gear that can make up 100 int.

    So I worked around a bit and found out 450 base int gives the lowest total cost which is 34.357b in this case while assuming AP resets are 17m EA.
    However, then you cannot achieve your goal HP at lvl 150.
    Lvl 155 is the earliest possible.

    This is what you need to do

    Level 1-3: All AP into DEX (20 DEX Total)
    Level 3-91: All AP into INT (450 INT Total)
    Level 79-155: All AP into MP (360 AP Total)
    Level 156-200: All AP into DEX

    You can see that there is an overlap between 79~91. It's because you need all the lvl up AP into INT stat till lvl 91 in order to gain 450 base int ASAP but you will also need to start mp washing from 79 in order to have enough MP to finish washing at lvl 150.

    So
    Level 79-91: All AP into MP after leveling up, then after every lvl up, use 5 AP Resets to -MP +int before leveling up again.

    THEN
    Level 155 or later:
    446 AP Resets: -INT +DEX or STR
    1215 AP Resets: -MP +HP

    PS: This entire plan will cost you over 30b and you will have to self leech or buy leech till your sair character is 155...I don't think this is "ethical" thing to do -.-'... I suggest you to reconsider this plan wisely
     
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    This is the part that confuses me really, I have done the calculations too, bit for nightlord.

    So let me get this straight, in summary you;
    3 - 79: pour all 5 level up AP into Int, no reset is done.
    80 - 91: pour all 5 level AP into MP, then reset 5 from MP into Int.
    92 - 155: pour all 5 level up AP into MP, then reset 5 from MP into main damage stat.
    And finally, at 156 or later depending on how much extraMP you want;
    1. Reset all base Int back into main damage stat, 460 in this case;
    2. Reset as much extraMP as you can back into main damage stat, in this case it's 360; and finally
    3. Reset all remaining extraMP into HP until you either hit your goal, your wallet breaks in half and starts crying for mommy or hit your minimumMP cap.

    Am I reading this right?
     
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    Wow sparky, thanks for this guide, it really helps.
    There is a lot to do here but I guess I can start now seeing as I dont actually need to pay for anything until level 79. I will just need to be leeched. Once I hit 79 while following your instructions I can continue to raise funds on my bishop.

    Thanks
     
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    @sparky95
    BTW, you said you wouldnt reccomend this plan? what WOULD you reccomend? getting less HP? if so what would you say would be perfect.
    Is it better to keep low hp and stay on the ship? isnt it better to have 30k hp and learn the fight so you can stay on the ship the whole fight?
    even though it costs a lot to do
     
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    I'm doing this now, and I started MP washing every level up AP starting at level 40 (I add all AP into MP then reset into INT).

    I need 5 AP resets every level, + 5 to eventually reset the INT, plus, now, I'm averaging something like 10 HP washes worth of new MP each level (more later, less earlier, obviously). @ 300m+ per level when it's all said and done (very rough estimate), you'll either be voting a lot, or buying a lot of resets. That said, my math/spreadsheet on my desktop (I'm at school now so I can't reference or post it at the moment) says I'll hit my goal much earlier. I'm 76 and I can wash right now to ~11-12k.... that said, hitting 30k washable HP by 130 or 140 compared to 150 still sucks, and will take a long time.

    The reason he doesn't suggest it is because corsairs save a lot (time, money, potions) by keeping their HP as low as possible, but enough to boss. That's because the higher the HP, the more your boat is damaged with 1/1's, and while you can get *very* good at it, no one is perfect. I'm doing this because it's probably the most painful class to wash, and I either don't wash at all, or prepare myself to wash to the max.... because I find a sense of fun in doing it. Your experience will probably differ and most people don't want to sequester over a years worth of NX into something like this.

    Edit: with 30k, you can always use cheeses to keep your HP low (IE, don't use the large % potions to over heal), and achieve the same goal... but you could buy a hundred inventories of potions and have enough money left over to buy maple island from Lucas just by not washing so extremely.
     
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    Quite similar to what Evan said. I'm currently on a process of making 18750 hp sair (30k with hb) but why I don't suggest your 30k hp at lvl 150~155 plan is because it's a horrible waste of time and money.

    That will basically throw all the natural HP you can gain from 156~200 straight into the dustbin. There is a massive jump of expense when comparing 20k hp to 30k hp character, especially pirates because pirates have a big disadvantage when mp washing.

    Hp washing excessively and mastering the art of dismounting is definitely a better bet and more recommended (that's what I' doing now) than having too little hp. I's personally recommend going for 18~20k at maximum because that's already enough to survive ANY boss in the game without hb and going for higher at 15x lvl is just big waste of everything.
     
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    Bolded parts are same thing repeated in different wording. Sorry I should have made it clearer in my post xD
     
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    @sparky95 OK I see now, I didnt think about HB either. I guess you have the right idea, 18750 hp sounds right. So from what you are doing, how much would the plan change? For example how much base int would I need and when would I start washing, also how many would I need to do.

    Sorry im really bad with this and the calculations. Your first post was perfect but what would change if I were to only go to 18750?
     
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    Not sure if I have done this right? so this plan will cost just over 21 billion and I would follow the steps in the bottom left?
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    OK so for 18750 HP goal, I'm gonna set target level at 135 because I really don't think you'd wanna self leech to 150 because that's like... 3/4 of the character done doing nothing other than mage grinding self leech. Spending bit extra money and finishing HP washing at 135 would make your journey much more interesting.

    I'll show you the calculation I have done. What you need to realize is that 450 base int I pre-described to you for 30K HP goal isn't necessarily the best value when dealing with different goal at hand. There has to be a balance between Base int and amount of MP washing. If you look at my results...
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    You can see that I set the "Level for HP goal" as 135 instead of 150 so that should theoretically cost more than your calculation but you can see it only costs 21.114b which is less than your 21.131b. In this case, having less base int (350) with more MP washing is cost effective, which is why you need to play around with the calculator until you can't get a lower, total cost.

    So for this goal,

    Level 1-3: All AP into DEX (20 DEX Total)
    Level 3-71: All AP into INT (350 INT Total)
    Level 71-89: All AP into DEX
    Level 90-135: All AP into MP (225 AP Total)
    Level 136-200: All AP into DEX

    Then
    Level 135 or later: (This is just showing total of how much AP resets are to be used for what purpose)
    346 AP Resets: -INT +DEX or STR
    671 AP Resets: -MP +HP


    PS: This is how I check if the balance I have between Base int and amount of MP washing gives lowest value.

    Memo
    21.964b with 250 int
    21.454b with 280 int
    21.284b with 300 int
    21.114b with 350 int
    21.284b with 400 int

    21.114b with 360 int

    Explanation
    I begin by picking a random number that's substantially high enough to start with. In this case 250 int.

    I see it gives me 21.964b.

    I try raising the base int to 280 then I see the cost went down to 21.454b. Hmm interesting, this means there's good chance it'll get less if I raise the base int higher.

    I raise it again to 300 int then I get even less cost which is 21.284b.

    Now tried a bigger jump to 350 then I get 21.114b which is lowest so far.

    Then I tried the same jump again to 400 but I see cost goes up again to 21.284b.

    In this case, I go back to the int value that gave lowest so far and try to raise it to 360, raising it only by 10, and realize it gives the same value, 21.114b as the 350 base int.

    I can now safely conclude that is the lowest it can ever go. (Amount of mp washing gets adjusted automatically during this analytical process as the calculator tells you to raise or lower the lvl at which you wanna start mp washing to JUST fit the desired goal.
     
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    I see, Great thanks for that info, helps a lot. Now I just need to get my hands on 22 billion lol.
    Well I guess I could start this char asap as I dont need to spend money until level 135 right?
     
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    Yup :) just start it and get anniversary earrings on the charcter asap. You can do the mp washing as you leech to 135 and reset equivalent amount later later after you get enough funds for resets. Just make note of how much ap you used in MP washing so you know how many points to take out later all together.
     
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    Zerato mentioned that shiyui already included HP boost from job advancements in her HP washing calculator. Therefore, my calculations are inaccurate. Don't rely on the calculations till I fix them or you can try and revert the 900 HP I subtracted and recalculate.
     
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    oh ok, Ill try to have a go in a min
     
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    I cant actually see where you took away 900 hp, in the calculator you put 18750 which is actually the target and if the calculator counts in the hp and mp from job advancement then this would still be right? no?
     
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    Actually you are right. With happy coincidence, I forgot to take out 900 from goal HP during my original calculation for 18750 hp and calculated as if not accounting for any hp change update. This plan should turn out cheaper now since you need to take out 500 hp from the goal due to hp quest series.
     
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    Ok thanks for your help. I have started.... at level 30... how do I kill for job advancements LOL, this is meant to be the easy one, what about level 70
     
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    Get maple pops from nightmare (horse looking mob) in haunted house of NLC. These give 100 accuracy for 1min

    Get heart stoppers from voodoos in haunted house or apples (I strongly suggest heartstoppers for the sake of cost) they give 60 wep att / 100 wep att.

    Just using those 2 would give you enough dmg/accuracy to get through 2nd/3rd job advancements and ofc the better if you can scroll/find some low level str/dex equips.

    It is an inevitable obstacle one has to overcome if attempting to go for extreme goals like 20~30k HP.
     

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