Alright, so I am getting sick and tired of how this server is being treated like we're all 10 and can't say "fuck" without worrying about being banned. It feels like the real world where when you were younger and you swore, you could get grounded... So, I'm issuing a challenge to all you fellow MapleRoyalers who are sick of how easily we can get banned for using everyday vocabulary. If someone swears in a Smega, report them using the ~gm command. Claim you're offended. Then Matt and the other GMs will see just how many people should be banned from the server in one day. There has to be a less stringent approach to simple things like "Suck my dick." or "Fuck off." Sure they're offensive, but if you don't like that person BLACK LIST THEM. There is no reason in having to ban someone for swearing... If they're being excessive, and multiple people black list them, they're not going to bother anyone... That's what the Black List feature was created for...
Totally agree. Issues in game should be solved like men. We shouldn't be whining to the GMs or snitching. Just my two cents. (not accepting this challenge though) P.S. I understand this is Matt's server, so he chooses the rules. (matt does what he wants) THIS IS 100% JUST A SUGGESTION. Just to see how the server feels.
I'm hoping no one does, but it would definitely show that everyone should be banned from the server because swearing is just a part of most people's vocabulary. Why even enable the Black List feature if it's never going to be used? There's so many more important things to ban for than people swearing.
i think the main problem is people just abuse reporting. they will report someone not because the are offended by a bad word, but just to try and get someone else banned
That's why the rules need to be adjusted; because you can literally get banned for anything right now. It's absolutely ridiculous. If someone messaged me with "Fuck off." and I respond with "You're being an asshole." I could get banned because I wouldn't report them; but they'd report me... Bannable offenses should be restricted to cheaters, spammers, advertisers, exploiters and hackers. Not people having bad days; or people reporting things out of context...
So. I don't hack, or anything like that. But I do swear. And if kids are getting ban for swearing... I should be ban too. There are much more important things GM's could be doing with their time then treating us like we're 13. Most of us aren't anymore and for those of us that don't break the rules *Minus* swearing. I mean I'm nearing 20 years old. If Tommy's feelings get hurt because I don't like him. Maybe Tommy insulted me without swearing so I right out call him an asshole. -- It's not name calling. HE IS an asshole. >_> Probably told me he hoped my dad pulled out of something because I didn't leech him. < No swearing but offensive all the same. -- Yes I could tell on Tommy. Or I could call Tommy an asshole, black list him and carry on with my day. But Tommy could report me, instead of carrying on and I get banned for the issue? Whaa.... Maybe I could have even reported Tommy, but I'm too mature to report a kid and cause him to not play anymore potentially because I'm playing the game for fun. I'm not here to ruin anyone else's fun. I blacklisted him because I don't have the patience to deal with conflict. And I agree. This being reportable in general. Swearing, or whatever. Is being abused big time. Which is why it comes off as immature and disgraceful. This is just an example. I don't agree with your challenge. TL; DR We shouldn't be ABLE to tattle to GM's about swearing. -- It's immature. I don't think it should be that big of a deal, as most of us aren't little youngsters. I understand that having a friendly community is a goal. I think there are more important things to ban people for. + Censorship PLS. Can you tell me you never ever swear?
Ok look, we don't want to have to separate two babies who can't settle things themselves. You think we enjoy reading these Report Abuse posts and banning someone? Of course not! That's one less player on the server. However, it's like reporting a fender bender to the police. They really do not want to file massive amounts of paperwork over it, but they have to because it's the law. Likewise since the rules currently prohibit crude language, we have to enforce the penalty. We would LOVE it if you could work things out on your own, believe me. Oh, and launching a protest by massively swearing throughout the server on smega is just as childish as filing an abuse report over something petty.
I'm sorry but... Can you not read? And how is trying to improve the server and its community childish? (Yes, I believe the community is suffering because of people being banned for non-offensive use of curse words) Protesting against rape by walking almost naked on your own isn't very mature, but slut walks (ie many women doing it) isn't immature. See the similarity to this 'swearing protest'? (NB: Rape is much more serious than swearing in a private MapleStory server, but the principle remains the same.) And if we all (well, most) disagree with this level of cursing being bannable why not change the rules? If you GMs are kept busy because of the sheer amount of stupid abuse reports based on swearing - shouldn't that alone almost be enough to warrant a rule change? Because that time could be spent fixing bugs, eating breakfast, working out, playing Maple, whatever you guys do. And we COULD work it out on our own if you would just allow swearing, believe me.
I personally think it's ridiculous that a server who's main player base is over 18 should have a rule against swearing anyway. And I get that it's not strictly enforced--I swear all the time and have yet to have any problems with that...BUT the fact that you have the rule at all is silly. There SHOULD be a rule against excessive harassment or bullying that can be proven via documentation, but that should not include simple insults that happen as a result of the occasional loss of good manners. (i.e. the "Fuck you!s") I'm not against racial slurs continuing to be against the rules...but the rest of it...it's just silly to give those people who are looking for a way to get someone else banned an easy vehicle in which to do so. Saying "fuck you!" to someone who is being a dick is not harassment, and as the rule stands right now, you can pretty much get someone banned for anything if you just say it "offended" you.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the rules should NOT be changed. What I'm saying is that "protesting" by spamming profanities via SMEGA isn't going to get anything done. The idea was brought up on the forum by Dante, and I truly have NO problem with that. What got me was his plan to protest and "show" the staff up. That was what I didn't (and still don't approve of). Is there anyone proficient in legalese who would like to propose how the rule should be rewritten? If a proposal is made, I can assure you I will discuss it with the other staff members as long as it is reasonable and not sarcastic.
Try something like: 1. Excessive swearing in smegas is not allowed. 2. Racial slurs are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to the "N" word or any word that has been derived from that word such as "nig", "*****", "nignog", etc. 2. Bullying and harassment is not allowed. Bullying and harassment is defined as excessive abusive speech directed toward 1 person for an extended period of time. Any reports made for bullying or harassment must be backed up with sufficient proof via viable screenshots/video footage or by using the ~gm command to include a chatlog before any action will be taken.
I think that swearing should still be not allowed in a smegas because everyone can see them, and all though they are few, we do have younger people on the server. I agree wholeheartedly with your last two rules though! I believe swearing should be allowed in all chats except smegas as long as it is not a racial slur, used to bully/harrass etc.
I don't think that abusive behaviour to another player necessarily should have to be for an extended period of time for it to be deemed unacceptable. What I fear is going to happen here is that one or two people abusing the report function is going to result in a lot of people getting carte blanche to behave badly as long as it's not for an "extended" period. Also, I'd like to mention that I find homophobic and sexist remarks every bit as offensive as racial slurs.
I agree with I also believe that homophobic and sexist remarks are just as offensive as racial slurs and they should not be accepted as well. Feel free to copy and paste these rules and add what you seem fit, I can assure you that all of us admins are reading every post and taking everything into consideration.
I think perhaps a rule against abuse of the report function would be a good idea. Also, what about people who are abusive to anybody and everybody, rather than specifically against just one person?
In what way are they abusive? That's where it becomes a judgement call for each GM. And if they are abusive to everyone, shouldn't at least one of the people "offended" post in the report abuse board?
Let me rephrase things. As the new rule proposals stand, they cover harassment against one individual over a period of time. They don't, however, cover a potential repeat of a case like (for example), this one: http://royals.ms/forum/showthread.php?t=1474 In this case, yes, one of the people offended reported him, and was banned afaik. The point I'm making here is that it would be good for any adjustments to the rules to include cases like this one, where someone isn't just targeting only a single individual, but is being offensive and insulting to a fair number of people. ETA: The player's behaviour on the forum, just as an example of what I mean by generally insulting This is an old case, I'm simply using it to illustrate the point I'm trying to make.
Does there really need to be a rule to say behavior like that is not ok? That should be common sense...
Agreed, there shouldn't have to be a rule, but - and this has happened before - if it isn't in the rules, no matter how obvious it *should* be, there's bound to be at least one person who says: "How was I breaking the rules? There was no rule against what I did!" It's probably simpler to have a rule you can point to rather than waste time explaining things to someone who either lacks common sense or is deliberately pushing their luck.
The LAST thing I want is MapleRoyals to have multiple pages of rules to cover every situation. And I'm sure that's exactly what Matt was thinking when he put this in the terms conditions:
