Best way to hp wash (very complicated to me! Need help on math! & AP duplicate theory!!)

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    Hey. Royalers. I have a Crusader LV81. And here is my problem.

    I started to have int since LV50+ and I ended up having 100 INT since level 6x. I will round it to LV70. So let's make it simple. I just started having 100INT at lv70!

    My total INT is 101 and my base INT is 65. I know what normal HP wash is. I just increase my hp after counting how much washes can be obtained from my extra MP, and convert my MP to STR. (in order to have 50+ HP because fresh AP gives more than AP reset does.) Fresh ap means the 5 ap points you get every level.

    But I got a real problem after a guy told me to increase mp as I have base INT of 65. He told me that if I use my fresh AP to mp, I will gain 6 extra for having 60+ base INT. Sadly, he left off for leeching.. So, with the partial information, I tried using my 1 fresh AP to mp and I saw that it actually raised 10 MP. This probably means that I can just duplicate my AP by putting into MP! (I am not sure if this theory is true but what I've seen is getting 10MP with 1 fresh AP) This only works with fresh AP. Just like I said, AP reset gives 20HP or 4MP while fresh AP gives 50HP and 10MP.

    What I mean by duplicate is, to get 1 AP with AP reset, I need to sacrifice 4MP. But I could make 10MP with 1 AP. So with 5 fresh APs, I can have ~50MP which is about 12 washes. So 5 fresh APs can be duplicated to 12 APs? Is it really true?

    If my duplicate theory is true, what is the best way to hp wash while having sufficient stats? I am really confused now. My goal was to reach 999STR fast but I realised that 30K HP is more important especially for those who HP wash! But if this duplicate method works, I think there is a way I can hp wash while having huge amount of duplicated base stats like, 999STR and 200DEX lmao. Does anyone know the right answer, or the solution for me? Thank you!
     
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    This is called MP washing.

    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/hp-washing-for-new-players.41129/

    Also, as a crusader, 65 int is wayyyy too high even if you're aiming for 30k hp at 200. use shiyui's hp washing calculator (google it, its a google excel file online) if you want to know exactly how much int you need and int gear you need to hit your gear with the most optimum amount of APR possible.
     
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    ohh I see I just watched a video about MP wash. Wow. I should have had more base int to gain more extra ap points for more stats! But it will take too long time! So I have 65 base int so,, I will just put 5 more int and get 7 extra mp for proper mp wash!. Thanks I got it
     
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    Yeah, if I had like 300 base int as a warrior, which is theoretically possible, then I will have double amount of AP than usual but it is only theoretically possible as it will need like 1500 ap resets lol. Got it, so I will just have to figure out how much int and time I need. Thank you.
     
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    So one question added.

    I just realised that MP wash takes too much time and it doesn't seem to be necessary for heroes. So I am just planning to HP wash, not MP wash (also because I did not have 100+ base int since low level). I am still not sure if 100 INT since level 60 something is enough or not. I might HP wash till the end game like LV 160~170. So, it means I will remain having 65 base int and some int gears. Will 100 INT since level 70 be okay to reach 25K~30K at level 165?
     
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    You don’t need to mp wash to achieve 30k Hp at lv155 as a hero. All you need to have is around 100-110 int (base int+int gear) to reach that goal.

    Edit: this is assuming you have maxed your 1st job max hp skill asap
     
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    Is it that hard to do your own research?

    Let's get one absolute basic fact about hp washing first.

    HP washing is a method for players to increase their HP, beyond what a class naturally gets. However, in order to increase their HP, there is a corresponding deduction, usually from MP since MP is the easiest resource to grow compared to the other sacrificeable stats.

    Therefore, the whole HP washing debacle can basically be summarized as gathering enough MP, to build your HP.

    From here, you have 2 main ways of HP washing:

    Method 1. Levelling up and then adding 5 LevelUP AP directly to HP. Correspondingly, you then deduct MP, and add it to your damage stat,

    Final result: You gain hp, reduce MP, and gain the damage you were supposed to gain.

    Method 2: Resetting AP, usually from MP, but can come from any other stat you want to reduce, and then adding that ResetAP into HP.

    Final result: You gain HP, reduce MP. no chance to damage stat.

    The main difference between the two methods is that all classes have their own formulas that determine which method gives them more hp. Your warrior for instance, gains 50 - 54 HP per AP from method 1, and 50 - 55 HP per AP from method 2.

    As you can see, there's very little difference, but you should still primarily use Method 2 just in case RNG decides to give u a break. In other words, the whole HP washing bullshit basically boils down to:

    "How do I build up enough MP to sacrifice with APR, to get enough HP?"

    1. You increase your base int from an early level to gain more MP than you normally would as a warrior.
    2. You wear int gear from an early level to gain more MP than you normally would as a warrior.
    3. You use that peculiar quirk you noticed, where putting a point in MP, gains you more MP than you normally would due to your higher base int. After which, you deduct that point in MP back out and into your damage stat to increase your MP pool and not cripple your damage in the process. This is called MP washing.

    Due to the way warrior's HP formula works, you really only need 1 and 2, because your HP grows much faster than other classes. MP washing (3), is really only used for the other classes because their HP growth is so shit, they need more MP to sacrifice as compensation.

    Now that we have the gist of HP down, we can use shiyui's hp calculator to find what you need to find. However to do that, we need to know the following:

    1. Your current level.
    2. Your current base int; and
    3. Your current int gear.

    After that, you PLUG the numbers in, according to the cute colored tabs, and then slowly adjust your TARGET BASE INT up and down, to find the OPTIMUM amount of APRs you need to spend.

    P.S. If you can't follow a simple instruction like that, or are too lazy to think for yourself, please feel free to pm me those 3 numbers and i'll do the thinking for you.
     
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    Oh, now I got it, I did some calc for me. It is decent. I was too stressed by contemplating which wash I should go for. But as you said, MP wash isn't necessary, or useless for warriors. I did not mess up my character yet. Thank you. All I have to do is just keep on leveling and eventually wash my HP!
     
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    Now that's an answer i like. You learned the basics of HP washing and now you know what you need to do. Good job.
     
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    Well I somehow managed to get 24K HP at level 130. I am assuming having max hp before 160. Maybe I did not have to worry about hp washing too much especially when having a warrior. [​IMG]
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    Don't worry about getting max hp :) It's really unnecessary and even my Lv185 Hero isn't at 30k HP yet hahaha. Just play to enjoy the game - you have more than enough HP to enjoy everything the game has to offer, just make sure not to walk into HT tail... :xD:
     
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