HTP Price!

Well, that's what you think. Also, what's wrong with complaining, there's a reason we have a "General Discussion" section here on the forum, clearly made for us to "complain" or "discuss"? You got a problem with us "complaining"? Yet, you're here replying to the post and comments.
We're not trying to control anything, it's a free market in the game. No one can control the free market, such as the price of WS/CS, because of the double NX, the prices automatically dropped to 300-350m ea right now from 400m. None of us are controlling anything.

Back to the topic of about the HTP prices. I guess somehow buyers pay for what they get such as "quality" runs? Or they can always choose to pay cheaper for a lower quality run, as people say "you get what you pay". Well just saying, not that I'm mentioning about anyone, as somehow I personally think that buyer deserve the right of a reservation or a slight guarantee of "Ress" in they died during the run, which is understandable for many of us to hardly give out the guarantee of this saying.

But still, in the end this is still a speaking of free market if we're talking about prices. It's just as we're the HT runners, just hope that we can conclude a stable price for us to sell the HTP services fair and nice. Not that we're actually benefitting from each other, but all individual runs.

 

I've never bought a HTP before, but do you pay for it before the run? Because if not then I don't understand your "quality run" argument. If I die and don't get res, then I don't pay. I try again another day.

I'm not interested in paying an extra 200m for res or speed or compliments on my NX. And judging from this discussion I'm not even interested in paying 600m for your guys' runs. I'm the buyer, I hold all of the power as to where my money goes. That is how the free market works, not this whole price fixing fiasco that you're trying to work out with the other HT runners.

 

600m is better than 0m. That's just the sad truth nowadays. Consider yourself lucky if you found a buyer willing to buy at 600m. You can try to set it at 800m with hb and 600m without, might work somehow. But to ask others to fix the price is quite tough because... well, free market. Just like how I tried asking people to fix SB prices but they undercut me in their shops anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I wouldn't really include community runs as a reason why HTP prices have dropped. There's only been 1 community run during these changes in price and that's BCHT so I'll only talk about that.

I tried to keep BCHT separated with the HTP Service market. 90% or even more of the HTP buyers are always below 155 and buying that service before they're able to run HT themselves. It's very rare that we'd get a person who is looting their first ever HTP and when we get one, it is mainly one of the runner's side character or their Mage character. It's incredibly rare that someone comes in BCHT to loot their first ever HTP. I don't think it should be seen as a substitute to buying HTP as the two have very different target audiences.

Also the demand for looting HTP (reloot or first doesn't matter) have dropped a lot inside BCHT. Main reason I'd point out is CWKPQ since the drastic change happened after the release of it. I'm not complaining or anything, just giving you the point of view of a community run host that before CWKPQ we would have multiple people willing to reloot their HTP while after the release of CWKPQ, we are hardly getting a few people together.

So, instead of seeing BCHT (I'm saying BCHT only since there's only 1 community run happening in the server) as a reason for this drop, I'd say it's more of a victim.

EDIT: In my experiences with selling HTPs in the server since 2015, never seen anyone above 155 buying a service .. If the potential buyer is a mage, they try to buy it asap to be more efficient and stronger to 1hit stuff and if it's an attacker even above 155 they would still get a free HTP in a split run for attacking anyway ... So I see no way of community runs interfering the HTP Selling Market.

 

"Why price should not drop?"
1. Respect of other HT runners

Lmao if you respected other HT runners you wouldn't make a thread about a 200mil decrease.

 

There is no twist in the story into a show of respect for other runners. It is a straightforward discussion of what is happening to HTP price and there is no set rules in the discussion. Please read the thread agian. I said " I strongly encourage HT runners should not keep decreasing the price, as this will benefit HT runners in the long run".

My point of this thread is to see if Ht runners can stabilize a price so it wont keep dropping to a point of no return. I believe services are harder to recover than items generally.

 

and i strongly encourage people to do as they please in this FREE MARKET since no one should be telling them what to price their services at

 

S> htp service 100m. fast run

 

I agree it is a free market but once its beyond the point of no return, it is going to be difficult to pick it back up again. So are you saying I can sell it at 500m VIP now?

 

ye sure go ahead as long as ur whole pt agrees i dun see why not. lower prices are good for new players too u know

 

I feel like the power creep on this server got so high, and the demand for HTP dropped (with the introduction of cwkpq)
idk why someone is blaming bcht lmao


but just blame @sids instead

 

That is exactly what everyone else is trying to say, that is how a free market works. If you want to undercut your competition and have a better chance at making more than 0m for your run, it is your right to do so. The market will adjust on its own. If everyone is buying up 500m runs, sellers will probably increase to 600m again because the market has found the price at which demand is higher than supply.

 

I stand for keeping HTP at 800m actually, but I've already accepted the fact that there is no way I can dictate how much the market prices it. I've actually kindly asked @sids a few times in BL chat not to decrease the price of HTP he is selling at, but that's about it... knowing I can't do much about it, I just brush it off and let it be or laugh it off. Horntail just isn't worth doing right now, it might be better to wait out till Christmas period where the player base population will rise again and there will be a new HTP price equilibrium.

Btw, these are just one of the few problems we will face in a decreasing population.

 

This reminds me last year when some people have tried to fix the heartstopper's price: https://royals.ms/forum/threads/price-fixing-for-heartstoppers-3.90805/

And it was a big fail.

I personally don't believe any of us can fix the price of any service/items. You just have to accept how the market changes and go with the flow. I believe htp was selling for 1b when cs/ws 500m and 800m when cs/ws 400m. Currently, we are almost at cs/ws 300m. So selling 600m htp is still equivalent to 2cs/ws. It's still now too bad profit considering now that we have Mon and meso is much valuable ever been for long time.

 

Agreed but yes there is nothing could be done as it is a free market but encourage to be kept at 800m.

 

Because I stand behind keeping it at 800m, you will hardly see me smegaing S>htp for <800m or my party and I wont ever bother smegaing at all . That's the best I could do. Players who pm me 600m or 700m I will just gladly accept it.

 

Atleast you have done what you could. But once the price is down, it's going to be hard to change the mindset of people as in people will bargain which gets annoying.

Once agian, the market is free as we speak so...

 

Honestly I think 600m is pretty fair, the old price was way too high (1b) and I think it's not really worth to pay so much for an item that you can later get for free (unless you're a mage)

 

That is not necessarily true. HTPs help classes with a secondary stats earlier on such as wearing your red craven, stone tooth or nisrock with the least possible secondary stats. As you always say "you want more damage".

 

there is no way to control price of any item and keep it from future changes
alot squad's can kill and they just do for SB & EXP because many done with HTP or decent MoN
i see at least 10-20 "smega" each day of HT has been killed that's alot HTP's
once there are more squad's that kill HT mw20 and other will drop in price aswell that's how it works

just like zak service now
we got alot pro people that do ZAK run for EXP/SB (trio's) daily and they gladly would help new player's take their helms FREE