Rule clarity regarding pet equips

Disclaimer: This thread is looking for a direct answer from ONLY the staff.

As we know, trading pet equips makes them clean again, and has done this for over a year now without being fixed.

I am looking for clarity regarding the legality of this feature.

Are we allowed to

A. Trade the pet equip to a mule/friend and then trade it or drop it back to re-scroll

B. Sell the pet equip to somebody, and trade it to them so they get a clean version rather than scrolled

C. If B is allowed, can I sell it to somebody for 1 mil and buy it back as a clean item for the same price?


I have looked extensively for a direct answer to these questions but have been unable to find one. I am seeking an answer to avoid doing this if it is prohibited, and also to avoid missing out if it is not. Thank you so very much for the help.

 

I thought i just gave you a direct answer. If you are found exploiting a bug / glitch, you will be banned. In this case, using this glitch to scroll a perfect pet equip via repeated trials. Apply this reasoning to all of your actions/intentions, we dont have to list every possible scenario available.

 

It was unfortunately not direct, merely a reference to the rule rather than a direct answer to the scenario at hand. A direct answer would be along the lines of "trading scrolled pet equips is considered glitch abuse and is bannable".

So for scenario B and C, we are not allowed to sell our (scrolled) pet equips via trade due to this glitch, correct?

 

Allow me to guide you through the logical process:

A. 'Trade the pet equip to a mule/friend and then trade it or drop it back to re-scroll' > 'using this glitch to scroll a perfect pet equip via repeated trials?' > 'yes' / 'no' > ban / no ban.
B. 'Sell the pet equip to somebody, and trade it to them so they get a clean version rather than scrolled' > 'using this glitch to scroll a perfect pet equip via repeated trials?' > 'yes' / 'no' > ban / no ban.
C. 'If B is allowed, can I sell it to somebody for 1 mil and buy it back as a clean item for the same price?' > 'using this glitch to scroll a perfect pet equip via repeated trials?' > 'yes' / 'no' > ban / no ban.

It is really not that hard.

 

So it has to be perfect based on your response, is this correct? "Logically" thinking, the rule would apply regardless of how it's being scrolled, perfect or not.

Further, you stated repeated trials. If traded only once, is this still considered abuse? Like, say I scroll a pet equip and it sucks, can I trade/sell it to a friend or to a stranger if they do not give/sell it back to me?

 

To be honest this has been around for so long I'd rather consider it to be a feature than a glitch at this point, lmao. You guys had plenty of time to fix it.

 

If you want want to get bogged down in the semantics game, i think this will never end. Generally i avoid engaging players in pointless dragged out debate and i prefer to trust in their common sense and instinct to catch on what is being conveyed to them. Here, i will shorten it for those who have trouble understanding / finding for loopholes:

Using this pet equip trade glitch to scroll your pet equips is a form of abuse and is bannable.

 

whether the devs had time to fix it is irrelevant to this thread. Everyone is more than welcomed to abuse it, but if you happen to be caught, then be prepared to accept the fact that it is a form of glitch abuse.

 

That is precisely the direct response that I and many others were looking to hear. Thank you, I sincerely appreciate it. Please understand our perspective in trying to avoid a ban over a simple misunderstanding of a feature glitch that's been left to remain for a very long period of time. Our intentions aren't malicious which is why we wanted to be absolutely certain it was allowed/disallowed rather than use our own interpretation of the rules as mere players.

Edit: Upon re-reading your wording, does this imply that it is indeed allowed to trade a scrolled pet equip to somebody else (a friend/random buyer) for them to keep/rescroll for their own use? A simple yes/no will suffice if you prefer.

edit: I would like to provide an example to ensure we're on the same page


Scenario:

Billy buys a pet equip in the Cash Shop
Billy scrolls said pet equip to only be a mere +3/7
Billy doesn't want it, so Billy gives or sells it to Joe Schmo
Billy trades it to Joe Schmo, which resets the stats, and Joe Schmo scrolls the item for his own use

Is this allowed?

 

Only if Billy isn't caught doing something fishy

 

The scenario that I outlined is meant to be a precise example of a hypothetical. There would be no underlying intent from Billy--specifically what I stated would occur in this scenario.

 

I don't see how its irrelevant, you had time, 16 months to be precise. Now if there's a bug that can possibly cause a ban to a player and has existed for that long & is acknowledged by staff I think its just outrageously irresponsible on staffs behalf not to have it fixed in due time. You can't have such bugs laying around for such a long time & do nothing about it. Now after 16 months when its brought up again your response should not be "if you use it, you will be banned" but rather "We're sorry the bug still exists, we will make it our priority to fix any bugs that can cause any troubles for our players". I've had it with all the useless bans in this server, banning players isn't the solution.

 

Tbh, if we scroll our own pet gear and it’s crap, we would drop it anyway (to not take up our inventory). I don’t think we’re expected to go to like cc12 fm 14, or the burning land 2 and drop it there so that nobody would loot lol
So if you’re legitimately selling it to someone, I don’t see why it should be a problem
But then again its not up to how I see it

 

rip meso explosion

 

Another great example of staff professionalism, way to go.

 

They really need to limit which staff members handle player relations lol. Some are really, really unprofessional and just flat out bad at interacting with the players. It’s likely due to the language/cultural barrier accompanied by never having been in a position of power before, but I just don’t understand why it would be tolerated by the higher ups. It’s similar to that one staff member who used to always get hostile in the ban appeals (fortunately he doesn’t seem to handle them much anymore). Just have them deal with other duties that don’t involve them interacting until they learn how to conduct themselves professionally lol.

@Matt

 

Luna has already made it crystal clear with the following answer.

You're either just trying to pick on Luna or lacking the intelligence to understand it. If you're not referring to Luna only but the whole staff, you should start a new thread about it.

Edit: In addition, what you are doing here is trying to find a loophole in T&C to abuse the bug. Obviously no staff will be there to help you about it.

 

Read the thread entirely before you reply next time please. This comment is inaccurate.

 

Well, this all occurred after she gave OP a pretty clear answer... and people are pushing it saying they should be allowed to abuse an unintended glitch because it hasn't been fixed... Can't say I blame anyone who finds this frustrating because it's common sense.

I'm closing the thread. No real reason to keep it up- bottom line is regardless whether you think its fair or that you should be able to do whatever you want because it hasn't been fixed is irrelevant. If you abuse a glitch and get caught, you'll get banned... I agree, it should be fixed, but Kevin is working on as much as he can, and I think the responsibility to not break a rule should fall on the player- that's how it works in the rest of the world. Just because something in a store has no price tag doesn't mean you can take it, just because there's no speed limit sign doesn't mean you can go 100+ mph in a neighborhood back road.

If people want to make a feedback thread (on how staff handle themselves, what should be fixed next, etc) you're welcome to.

Edit: If you ever experience something that you have reason to believe is a glitch, just ask. It's entirely possible Staff don't know about it, and if they do ( and it hasn't been fixed), it's entirely possible it's being monitored so Kevin can fix it (beats disabling CB's or pet equips I think).