Make Dks Great again...

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waht do u thinks about dks?

  1. are very good jus the way there are...

  2. maybe a little change, but ur proposes are exagerated..

  3. i think this post ideas are Really good

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  1. Relmy
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    Hi!
    I want to say my opinion about Dks and how make it any better...


    To start I want to apologize because my English is not very good, I am Latin American...

    I also want to say that since I started playing this,I loved it, I really got all the memories of the original maple, but I could not help but notice that you have some faults, just like the original maple..
    I mention this as I have seen similar post, and when there is some disagreement with some things like skills / pot stacks and that, I have seen some administrators respond something like ... well that's how it was in the original game ..
    the fact that in the original game has been like that, does not mean that it's okay
    my main char has been a dk since I met this, it is a job I always wanted, and I decided to try it on this occasion, I enjoyed it very much as main, but I think I have the level and experience enough to see that there are 2 things terribly wrong with this job, so I want to express them and maybe propose a way to fix them.

    1.-the first bad thing with this job is the inability to do zerk in the most important bosses ... I do not try to make the dks the best DPS in this game, but I find it unfair that I have to maintain myself in 15k hp (and that because I have max hp with hb) to be able to have a DECENT range, not even incredible, just decent(and with recent buffs become even lower) ... that prevents me from hitting well in many boss as it is HT, Anego, Toad, ETC, without doing zerk, the range of dk happens to be simply very bad, and that is a great limitation for us ...Some ppl said anego,toad dont worth doin,but, let Me decide waths worth, and wahts not..

    What I propose to fix that is to increase the effect of Achiles to pass it from 0.5% less damage per 1sp to 0.75% less damage each sp
    may seem exaggerated, but we must think carefully ... at lvl 30 we would have 22.5% less damage, , but taking in count that we have to keep our hp in half it seems about fair

    The truth is that using 30sp to only have 15% less damage is .... disappointing. I think that would help us improve ...

    2.-the second point is the pile of useless skills that we have simply because you do not stacks with each other like the dragon blood / beholder buff ... I agree that the skills that raise the attack do not stacks with the pots (apples, chocolate, etc) That would be too much, but if one buff cancels another I think the truth is silly, I know it's not the fault of the staff, but it's something that the original maple design very badly, and I think that it can be fixed here ... my second suggestion is to let , both the defense buffs and the attack buffs stacks together and that allows to expand a little the normal range of the player, and that filling skills is something exciting until the end .... at least let hex buff stacks with other skills or potions...
    Ill aprecia te if only the users Who played dks vote, Just want a expierienced opinion

    I thank everyone for reading this, and the staff of this game for the effort of having such a wonderful experience of nostalgia with us ..... Sincerely, Relmy2 Dk. Lvl 157 ...
     
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    I was about to make a feedback to nerf zerk %...

    With the exception of wall bosses like krex, Drks have the 3rd highest DPS given every buff. Thanks to the recent, similar thread, we are now acknowledged with the fact that heroes lack in crit damage due to the addition of orb +% dmg after crit activation. With such relative advantage, zerk control is a necessary handicap for Drks since we have a powerful party buff - HB.

    Anego and showa bodyguard/boss are the only bosses drks cannot zerk against unless one has godly reactions, and they are certainly not worth investing your time into. HT and toad are completely doable after few practice runs. BFs... you won't ever touch it if you time things right.

    I believe thrilling playstyle of Drk is what makes it popular. Giving it a higher defense or dmg reduction ability will make things too easy for such a powerful class.

    Making hex buffs stack with att pots does sound like a good idea but I'd request for it to come with a nerf of zerk % back to 40% for the balance.
     
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    so masochist :8):
     
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    Ur saying
    Ur saying u want make dks even worse? ..... Let me put some point on waht ur saying... first of all dk damage is nice and maybe is the 3rd better but only when ZERK.. Thats the thing... I was about to say or add to my post hb is not anymore a powerfull or usefull party buff, think this true, did u say anybody saying "R. SE HS AND HB TO... ANY BOSS? nope just se and HS, u know why everyone wash? Because theres never hb to the parties... And why is that? Because nobody want yo be a dk Because of ZERK range... I heard this a ton of times when i die at pqs" Thats why i dont like dks.. They have to ZERK to hit good.... " the fact is hb is not a required skill anymore.. Theres no need for such a Hard hándicap.... And if we have more dks, theres less need to hp wash in the server...
     
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    What about buff Heroes?
    Drk white exp us poor heroes :(
     
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    Well this is a threads about dks, i cant talk about héroes because i never played one...
     
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    I think you are making assumptions based on your personal view of things in royals.

    https://royals.ms/forum/threads/mapleroyals-2017-census-results.101014/

    This census from 2017 shows that Drk is the 3rd most popular main class in royals. Although it doesn't represent every individual, it's a good marker for reference.
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    I have seen plenty of Zakum parties recruiting a Drk or even just HBer for the sake of their buyers' survival. Pub HT runs often prioritize Drk due to their need of HB as not everyone is a veteran nor heavily hp washed. I have run a substantial number of Toad runs but never have I been to a party without HB.

    This would only apply to those who have reached the end game and have heavily hp washed characters. Rest of the players still appreciate HB in a boss run. I have numerous guildies who are making non-hp washed characters that will need HB for future HT runs. Even when I run HT on my drk with 15k HP NLs, who can survive well on their own, they consistently remind me to cast HB because no one is perfect and anyone can make a mistake that can lead to their death. HB provides more safety throughout the run.

    I get that you don't like the mechanism of Drks but that's how they were designed! To produce more damage than their half-blood brother warriors but overcome greater risk as a handicap. What you are trying to do now is to change the mechanism of nostalgic Drk to that of a different class. You might wanna consider changing to a class that matches your style perfectly. Heroes don't need to zerk yet produce "decent" damage. They also don't give a party buff called "HB" which you consider useless.
     
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    Masochist..... I get ur point, but "the riskier character" has to be the more powerfull one, but if i have to get the drks are "omg theyre exiting because is there alwsys a risk to die" and dont get the better buff ever.. ... Idk... I doesnt seem fair, i can never have 30k hp on use, and i have to be the 3rd Best.. Really? Like i said the fact of dks were designed that way, doesnt make it right, i have a lot of fun on it, but, it doesnt seems fair to me....
     
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    ^ that 'census' data holds zero significance 1-2 years after the fact (also because it's volunteer based survey data which is not credible both on and offline), and if anything should be interpreted as DrK being tied 3-6th in popularity (even 7th considering how close in numbers they are) due to the very small margin, rather than seen as '3rd' most popular. I don't disagree with your other points, but that reference is beyond poor, and saying they're the third most popular based on that is foolish to say the least, but I'm sure you understand that.
     
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    I wish you were here during the old source to try zak back then...it was like playing the piano on my laptop keyboard. Drks have been buffed with new source patch. Increasing zerk activation % from 40 to 50 was a huge buff. Zerking is much easier now with extra 3k hp.

    It looks like you are making a personal demand because you want to play a certain class differently from the way it was designed. I won't go further to criticize that since it's your personal want but I doubt the staff will be moved for such a personalized request.

    I'm well aware of it but it was the only reference that existed. It was used merely to back up my rebuttal against "nobody wants to be a dk" quote.
     
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    "thing usted to be worst" , isnt a good argument even gms pre bb change that(look hidden street pre bb says 50% not 40%) also i want to sincerely ask u, u got more friends Who agrees with u? Because u are acusing me of try to change something only for my personal expierience, and What about u? Ur opinión is something ur friends share? Or its only u? I make this threads now and not before Just because i wanted to wait and recollect opiniones on the ppl i meet... I got at least 25 ppl Who thinks like me.. (is not much, but right now is the 3 % of the server XD) i also put a vote post to see What ppl thinks about it... I dont think u are to open to think different so... Just think about everyone.... Im trying to do that...
     
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    I think we should give marksmen power stance, magic guard, and flashjump. It’ll make my gameplay more enjoyable too.

    Dark Knight is a very strong class, best warrior class. Much more difficult to play than most attacker, so can be difficult in the beginning. Although not that many people need HB anymore, people still like HB and you do more damage than any other warrior.

    Dark Knight is a very unique class. Very prideful players play dark knight because it is a difficult class. I am sure if you play more you will get used to zerk in Horntail/BF. All the drks I know can zerk easily in horntail without dying. Toad is very difficult.
     

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    No talk of Paly buffs?
     
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    Nah we tried fixing pallies for the past year. We gave up on fixing those
     
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    Thanks for ur opinión... Also i can believe u hace friends Who can zerk in ht but.. EASILY????? i hace to buy a New ganer comouter and hace a better Internet, because if i lag a second i die at bf... Also practica make u better, but it sucks knowing then even if i get lvl 200 it doesnt get any easier...
     
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    What potion do you use?
     
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    Cheeses... Alzó the onky thing im asking is to be able to zerk ANYWHERE, im not asking to be easy, i Just want to be posible...
     
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    I can take 0 damage on my Warrior against Anego so Drks should be able to do the same. Not sure why people prop up drk damage as if they always have se and si.
     
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    How do you take 0 damage?
     
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    pin very carefully i think. BF can pin and take no dmg
     

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