As you may know, grinding is becoming a unviable option and this is even more discernible at lower levels (due leeching) so my suggestion is basically rewarding with a slightly amount of aditional exp when training in a party with someone that is in a certain level range. For example a thief 105 and a i/l 115 training together at Aquaroad or clocktower. Of course the main idea is that leeching would still be prefer, because is a service that you are paying for, but i feel that now grinding is just not worth for most of people. I know you may say "if you enjoy so much grinding then go and do it for yourself" well imo part of the fun was doing it with other people, or let me know what you guys think, is only me missing that? If you still believe that grinding is not viable for you and just don't enjoy it in any way, or either way you are HP washing, you can still pay for leech and still feel that you're taking advange of others players that picks grinding as an option.
Actually it whould be better if grinding was better than leeching, getting more exp with more ppl in the party but the bonus only for the monsters you kill. well i dont know, that whould make mages lv way too fast... maybe aplying the bonus for a party of 4+ and disable it for bosses.
Grinding and PQ is much faster than leeching for most jobs til at least 85. Low level leech is awful. If any of you have actually gotten any you should know you avg maybe 1.5-2lvls best an hour. If you did kpq/cpq1-2 for an hour you’d get easily 3-6lvls in that hr. Leeching is just easier. Even if we nerfed leech, people would still leech because either 1). washing characters, or 2). (imo more important) people are lazy. Many people dislike the time it takes them to actually play out a chara and would rather vote daily to slowly buy up leech money. I once chimed in on a suggestions page to buff exp in temple of time since that place is really inconvenient to leech at cause you need to clear the floors.
@Cynn can mages tele between those platforms? I wish there was a place to grind for higher levels besides bossing. Maybe not past 135, but between 100-135 would be nice.
yes you can but it’s inconvenient for a solo mage to sell leech there efficiently. you’d need a duo mage at least to fully use the map. If you mean the large platform gaps, no. Only warriors can grind in ToT efficienctly. My first chara, hero, solo grinded oblivion to lvl 14x before doing a single boss
Rush+mobbing skill. Single target isn’t good for grinding. Youd take at least 5-10 avengers to even dent obivion mobs. Not counting mages of course. MM are okay but lack of grouping skill like rush/monster magnet
Maybe there's a way for excluding magicians from that benefit, and they obtaining exp they way they are now. Ulu/Petri/Skeles leech from 90-125 diference from grinding is just too much. Cynn is right about PQing/grinding in low level.
Thanks for the info! Perhaps because I really enjoy mobbing with Avenger, but I found it a moderately decent place as an NL, not nearly as good as bossing/leeching though. Also unless you're washing, most things 2hit you.
Well 71-125 is when PQs are gone (nobody really ppqs sorry). Then we move onto to the original content of the game. Single target characters were never met to be as good at grinding as mobbing characters. And mobbing characters were never meant to out dps single target characters at bosses. A magician will never be a viable dps (shut up @Jooon) in late game bosses. So i can see how it frustrates you how playing mages is so much easier to grind than a Nightlord or bowmaster, but that is literally their only gameplay. I personally grind my mules usually. but self leech 85+ cause leech is faster. But with my knowledge of prebb i could probably grind up to 120+. Out of curosity what job do you main that you have problems with grinding
I find Avenger to be quite bad honestly. TT is stronger than avenger even when facing 4 targets. The reason for that is that avenger uses your normal range as a damage formula (while TT has a much stronger formula of LUKx5) and is also slower to cast than TT. Avenger can also only hit in a straight line unlike TT that can aim at things below/above you.
TT is better in most circumstances, but I just really like the skill. Generally how I do ToT is go to the top or bot platform, avenger/FJ across the platform to mov, clear the smaller platforms above and below, then jump down and clear the 10-12 with avenger, then repeat. It makes it a bit more fun, albeit maybe slightly less efficient.
I agree, there should be bonus % when grinding in party, and the more people the more %. This would keep the community alive. ATM it’s literally just afking and getting leeched (for whoever can afford it). Not much of a thriller
I think rewarding bonus EXP when all party members are actively hitting is a good incentive. Reminds me of LHC (or not...)
Is there a way for the server to tell if everyone in the party are actively grinding? Otherwise I imagine a bishop with 4 afk mules selling ultra leech.
Yes. Easiest way is to check if you have killed any mobs within the past X seconds. E.g. if the last mob you killed is more than 10 seconds ago, then you're counted as "AFK" and you'll cause the party to lose the exp boost, something like that.
