Hello guys, another question I have been pondering about here. I have read the threads previously posted on forums, and the consensus seems to be that it is best for classes that don't require secondary stats, e.g. DK, and if you can somehow wear the pilgrim hat without needing secondary stats from Zak Helm, it would provide you with more range. However another perspective is that at late game, the damage you get from 1wa is lesser iirc when I look at the WA formula. I have no complicated maths for this, but a surprising find could be when my friend found out that his Luk/Dex HTP actually beats his 8wa MoN in terms of range as a NL. So my thoughts on pilgrim hat are: 1) What other classes other than DK can benefit from it? e.g. Paladin with Claymore? Shad? Bucc? 2) Is Pilgrim Hat truly the end game helmet with all things considered (2ndary stats, lesser gain from WA late game etc)? I'm asking because I have >15+ mules with Pilgrim Hats so I might be interested to make another class with a good Pilgrim Hat, but I want more options other than just DK. Thank you~
Nice thread i am interessted too! 1. 25 str, 50 dex helmet against perfect pilgrimhat with 6 watt. 2. A nicely Horntailpendant against 8att naricane I am a buccaneer and i need many dex... 23 dex more right now... But i could get the dex otherwise, it should not be mayor on answers! I am just looking for the better dps range ! How you guys thinking about that? I dont even have one of that items but it would be nice to see whats the right way instant of wasting time on the wrong. Thanks for everyone who can help me/us Greetings Mia !
For Bucc I'd say atk is better because the DEX requirements for buccaneer are really low (only 100 with lvl 100 knuckle, while NLs need 140) so a 50 dex zhelm is very overkill and will give you too much dex. Same thing with mon/htp. Other than that heroes/paladins with 1h sword, claymore or crushed skull will benefit more from ATK too because they don't need that much DEX (unless they try to get high accuracy to hit stuff like BGA) As for other classes, in terms of clean range a 8 atk mon will easily beat a godly egged HTP due to the extra ATK (at level 200 around 7 luk=1 atk for NL) but when you use apple or gelt you will have a lot more atk which makes it less valuable (around 4 LUK=1 atk) and in this case the HTP is stronger.
Oh that's an interesting point, i'm not sure but I think what I actually wanted to say for the "less WA gain in late game" point is explained by Ayane where using high attack potions (apple/gelts/elixirs) makes the WA less valuable which puts HTP above MoN. Sounds like MoN is better for Heartstopper and below, and HTP is better for Apple and above (generally), kinda makes it a dilemma since both are often used in boss runs.. But back to the Pilgrim Hat vs Zak Helm since they are similar, so far it seems that the following classes under certain conditions are more suited for Pilgrim Hat: 1) DK 2) Heroes/Pala not using ST 3) Buccs 4) NLs using Heartstoppers most of the time Pretty curious about classes with main stats as Dex, and for Shadowers as well, who seem to need 3 stats. Seems like the same conclusion for NLs where Zak Helm is better for apple and above..
Even with Stopper Zhelm is still superior. With stopper around 5.5 LUK=1 atk. That means that even a perfect godly pilgrim hat will only have 6 atk and 15 dex/luk which will be equal to 63 stats. Zhelm on the other hand just with 60% and WS can get 42/22, and can potentially get a lot strogner with stuff like CS or 10%. The only problem is if you'd WS a zhelm you will need a MON or you'd get way too much DEX. As for other classes, I have a BM and I can say that getting high STR is a lot harder than getting DEX and archers won't have problems with having too much STR. The reason is that DEX is simply a lot easier to increase with items, there are scrolls with DEX for almost everything (overall, earring, eye, face, helmet, cape, shoe, bottom..) while for STR there are only scrolls for topwear, cape and overalls (with no high level tops for archers and people preferring to chaos scrolls with atk) and chaos scrolling. If your BM suddenly have too much STR you can also simply switch to a DEX scrolled overall (which is easier to scroll than STR anyway) and so the extra STR from HTP/Zhelm will be very useful to you. Additionally BMs have more atk than other classes (high atk weapon+bow expert 10 atk bonus) so for them DEX is more valuable. And for Shadowers Zhelm and HTP will obviously be better since they both give DEX and also allow you to wear dragon khanjar with 4 base STR
Just in case i just eat apples and higher attack pots. So would it still better to wear on MoN and Pilgrim? Dex boost damage too btw. less but a little. And i need 110 dex since dragonslawclaw is what you would wear as a strong bucc.. Greetings Mia
Regarding Shadower. It's Zhelm all The way. We require Str&Dex as Secondary Stats and Luk as primary. I use The best Case scenario. So assuming you have a 15str/15dex/15luk/6wa Pilgrim hat that's Like having 15+15+15+6*4stats = 69 total Stats from it. When Using a Zhelm you have 22str/22dex/22luk and 10 Slots. Let's say you CS The 1st Slot in the Zhelm too. And also gain perfect Stats= 27str/27dex/27Luk and 9 Slots which Most people Finish with 60% Helm dex and White Scrolls. Meaning you'd end Up with 27str/45dex/27Luk = 99 total stats. 27Luk ~ is approximately Like 6.7wa. Sure The Pilgrim hat gives more in Terms of dmg, since it has 6wa and 15luk, so like 10wa in total, The Thing is that Str Benefits Shadowers more than, say Dex, Not to mention that you have 45 dex from Zhelm and only 15 from The Pilgrim hat. So that's Like 7.5wa you're Not Losing since you can Put those 30 Points Into Luk. Being even Higher with Maplewarrior as MW increases % for Base Stats. You can even Play pure Str Shadowers (as primary Stat) and be only a few % less strong in Terms of DPS to a regular Luk Shadower (and Str/Dex as Secondary Stats) which Just Shows that Str isn't that much of a Secondary Stat, but more Like a semi-primary Stat. Conclusion: 15str, 15dex, 15luk,6wa Pilgrim Hat (10wa total) vs 27Str, 45Dex ,27Luk (Like 6.7wa) but you still have 30 AP more in Luk, with MW Like 32. So that's: 27str,"15dex", 27Luk (6.7wa) "plus 32 Luk = 8 wa" so a total of 14.7wa, yeah Not to mention The 12 Str more than Pilgrim hat
CSing a 10/10/10 1wa Pilgrim hat to get 15/15/15 AND 6WA Mathematicaly Sounds even Harder to achieve, No? Not to mention i Said it's best Case scenario for both helmets. Even a 20str/35dex/20 Luk Zhelm Beats The 100% perfect Pilgrim Hat, at least for Shadowers for which i was speaking
