Hardcore Dojo (harder than you thought)

It looks like a lot of people weren't aware of this so I decided to make a post for awareness and discussion as well.

Including my self, a lot of people assumed all it takes to get 5 att medal was to complete the dojo from 1st Round to 38th Round (final boss) x 100 times successfully. However, from what I saw and confirmed with a few people who spoke to staff already, this isn't the case.

It's a super ultra hardcore stepwise progression which requires separate 100 kills of each boss. One needs to get 37 different vanquisher medals before getting the final one with 5 att. This means even if your party completes Dojo from R1 to R 38 x 100 times, you will only get the [Mano Vanquisher medal] THEN the 100 kill count for Stumpy (2nd Round boss) will start ticking. It's actually better to ditch parties and solo each boss 100 times (accumulative) till you get to the challenging bosses like Manon.



If we do the simple math, the number of total rounds go as follows.

100 + 200 + 300 + ~~~~ + 3200 = 52800 total rounds

I just timed myself and my Dark Knight with 140 speed takes an average of 7 seconds just to walk from the entry spot past the portal to the next round. This is assuming the room is empty of mobs.

52800 x 7 sec = 369600 sec = 6160 min = 102.6 hours

This means just walking through 52800 rounds will take around 103 hours for non-mage, NL classes.
If we include the time consumed for battle, entry and exit npc chats during each stage, only God will know how long this may take.


This probably is the original design. I am often referred to as the Masochist so I do welcome difficulties and challenges but this feels a bit too much for a 90 days expiry medal that has 2 extra attacks compared to the lvl 200 medal.

What are your thoughts?

 

I for one believe the medal should be permanent. Not many people will be trying for this medal prior to being level 200 anyhow. and if they do, they are being carried by friends most likely.

 

Hey sparky,

Thanks for making this detailed post, personally i feel there should be more of an incentive than 90days in order for the community so spend so many hours doing these bosses for dojo. I think if a party does Stage 1-38 the counter should count for each boss if the medal is limited for 90days. Its just personal thought, if not than perhaps extending the duration date on the medal to permanent.

Thanks
Abi

 

Expiring equips that actually require effort to attain royally (pun intended) suck, didn't we learn anything from the feedback on the belts from the Halloween event?!

 

I think it's whatever because the medal expires and nobody will care anyways.
Also I am HIGHLY against making the medal permanent because the lvl 200 medal should be the best in game in my opinion.

 

there are 32 bosses and 6 rest floors (38 total), so you need to kill 52,800 bosses. but yeah, your point is still completely valid. after factoring in time to kill bosses, especially the non-1-shot bosses like manon/griffey/pap/leviathan/mu gong, i'm estimating the total time to achieve the final medal to be around 300-400 hours if you play VERY efficiently and never die

 

Thanks for correcting the boss numbers! Edited

 

Should make every boss kill count for their own respective counters. Otherwise I don't see any practical way of getting the final medal. Trying to reach the final boss is already hard enough for some, let alone killing it 100 times, and not forgetting just to get a medal that expires? That's not good!

 

If prescribed, this is probably One of the hardest Game Medal to obtain, where it requires to be knowledgable, funded, and of course, washed,
imo which easily outshines the difficulty of
“Quest Specialist”. At this Point.
52800 Bossess.. Oh My God

But definately it might be a goal to target for, but to an certain extend, the reward as a 90 day medal is kinda dull.

This progression to obtain the medal Has potential
To make it the Ultimate End Game Medal. And it deserves a change to permanent.

I wonder is this hypothesis i write below might be true,
After you obtain this “Final” Vanquisher 90day Medal, will You be able to refresh by doing another 100 Dojo runs to once again obtain another new “Final” Vanquisher Medal afterwards.

Meanwhile it only adds 5Magic.
And Mages lvl200 adds 8Magic, shouldn’t this Magic Amount on the Final Vanquisher Medal be readjusted to 10~12?

@MushroomYoYo you might be very interested in this!

 

Instead of making the medal permament and making basically all lvl 200 medals obsolete, which would be just wrong in my opinion, it would be better to change the requirement for the medal such that a full dojo runs counts as 1/100.

Edit: Also hope it is not possible to get the medal more than once, if it is indeed possible then i think the quest is alright the way it is rn.

 

tbh, I'm only interested in solo Dojo with my Bishop.
It's not acceptable to spend my whole life on a 90-day item.

 

or u know u dont have to get the medal right? no one is forcing u to get it. if u think u dun got the time for it, then just dont get it.

assuming u cant get it more than once, 100 runs would honestly be far too little. 1 full run, solo or team is alr 100+ points. the daily cap for points is 1.5k. that means 1 day u gonna go at least 10 times. basically u can get the medal in like 9 days. i think thats way too fast. also, the moment those top players' medals expire, i swear there will prolly be another thread petitioning for perma medal or getting more than once popping out.

and assuming u can get it more than 1 time, it expires in 3 months n in less than 2 weeks of getting the medal u alr qualify for the next one. thats just stupid imo

 

How about nerfing the medals and making them permanent?
I don't think people will check others' medal list.
If the medals obtained from Dojo can't be shown all the time, I don't think it's an attractive goal to get all the medals.

 

can confirm, I have Maple Explorer medal and I barely use it, it's just a Goal ppl set, I even dropped every other medal cuz theyre slotfillers, still they are registered in your details (when someone clicks you)
btw Matt , 2018 artifact hunter medal is not show in this collection (when u double click on yourself)

 

the medal should NOT be permanent. and i feel that 90 days is way too much. it should be 30 days or less.

my reasons:
1. If the medal is permanent. everyone would just spam the party quest for 10 days to get the medal. and never do it again in their life. it does not make sense to me because it should be a ongoing party quest. The party quest would be dead if it is permanent medal.

2. No, the Dojo pq should NOT be easier to obtain the medal. i am a high tier player myself and i think it is perfect right now. the quest medal is only 1 stats higher from the master adventurer medal. i believe the quest medal is 50x harder to obtain than the 5 attack dojo medal. It does not make sense. I would like to let everyone know that, nothing is free. You need to work for it. The dojo medal right now seems very easy to get already. It does not make sense to obtain a 5 attack medal 100x easier than obtaining a 3 stats quest medal. 3 stats > 5 attack is a huge boost. It is not fair to everyone who completed the quest medal before, took us a long time to get it.

3. Permanent medal would not be fair for the low levels. It would only benefit the top tier people as it requires a lot of high dmg players to complete it. The 2nd best medal is the quest medal, which is 3 stats, and that is very challenging and fair because any level can obtain it. The dojo pq should be fair for everyone. From what i see, players who complain about it takes forever to obtain the medal are just greedy and want to benefit themselves. It seems fair to me because i know that nothing is free. it should be challenging.

Obviously as a high tier player myself i would like to the medal too but I am speaking what is best for the community. the PQ is perfectly fine right now and it should stay like that OR make it more harder to get. NOT make it easier.

if the dojo medal is permament, it would kill the game. It requires a lot of high dmg players to complete the pq. Permanent would be saying that you need to be rich to do the pq. It has no chance for poor/average players and it is not fair for them. they need to start somewhere.
I feel that the dojo pq should also have easier medal to obtain for the low levels
for example: complete up to stage 20 blue mushmom 100 times to obtain a 1 attack medal that last 30 days. this would allow the low levels 50 to particpate in dojo pq too. not just level 200s.

 

I'll give 2B coins to the first person to ever get this medal. No Kappa.

 

It requires a lot of top tier players who spent copious amounts of time becoming top tier players. If we are basing this off of time spent to obtain, then doesnt getting to top tier player in this situation constitute time spent to obtain this medal? Unless you have godly luck with scrolling you will not become a top tier player in anything less than a year. You can obtain the quest medal in less time than that. A level 200 player cannot carry a lvl 169 or lower player to this medal, nor would anyone spend the time to carry other people to their medals. You call this medal "easy to obtain", yet you don't even consider the amount of time it has taken the "top tier players" to get to where they are to make the bosses relatively easy. Only Night Lords can effectively solo the dojo. And yes I said effectively. They aren't the only ones who can solo it. Calling this medal "easy to obtain" is simply untrue, except for those at the top who have spent TIME to become strong to make the bosses easy.

I actual believe it would be MORE fair to low levels who are strong enough to complete the entire thing and obtain this medal. Usually you wouldnt even have a medal with ATK on it before level 200 in this current server. You say that any level can obtain the quest specialist medal which of course is relative to how many quests are available down to the lowest level that you can do 800 quests on. Not just any level can obtain this dojo medal. I don't see how this dojo medal is easier than quest specialist, other than you taking into account those people who are already strong and don't have to spend the time they already spent getting to where they are to make the bosses simply easy.

Again here you state that it requires a lot of high damage players to even complete the dojo and you also say you need to be rich to even do.

My point here is, that yeah, its not the same as spending time to complete 800 quests or become level 200. But it is just as difficult to get to the point to where you can obtain this. Its not easy like you say. Its just easy for you now because you consider yourself a "high tier" player. At level 173.

I think the medal should be permanent. Sure it replaces the level 200 medal. But then again, unless you get carried or are already level 200. You won't try for this medal. Rather youll be dojoing for belts. Thus never attempting the dojo medal until you are in a place you can complete it easier than "Not high tier players".

 

Thanks for your concern, but I am speaking on behalf of whats best for everyone in the community, It should Not be permament.
as i said in previous post, thee medal would help me a lot too. but I feel that It is not fair for everyone else.
Also, i see you have commented multiple times that level 200s (you) are carrying other players for free medal. That is not true and this is a very selfish behavior to say.
I am level 180 and I have completed the full dojo pq easily many times with level 150s in a party. This is called Teamwork. (SE, bishop. Shadower. attackers)
Perhaps you would like to go Solo the full pq by yourself with that attitude?

Anyway, i am not here to judge or hate. Have a great day. I still believe The medal should not be permanent.
i know a lot of level 130s are going for the medal. they can complete the full pq easily. It just takes time and effort, What i am argueing is that the medal should be a challenge to get. You want to make it easier and permanent. Yes it would benefit you as a individual. what about the others? have you looked at everyone else?